00:00:08,667 S1: It is 3:00 by one of the clocks. Today is September 17th at 3 p.m. and we're in the Tom Baker meeting room for the Historic Preservation Commission meeting. Um, Annie, please call the roll. 00:00:24,100 S2: Commissioner Zenker here. Commissioner Swanson. Here. Commissioner Hall here. Commissioner Sakariassen here. Commissioner Nodland here. Commissioner Pacelli here. And chair Engel here. 00:00:37,000 S1: Thank you. Um, Commissioner Nodland, you might have to share your microphone. Commissioner Sachs, we're one down with everybody here. So, uh, thank you all. Um, the first item is the public. Public comment, period. Um, if anyone in the audience, either electronically or here, physically, um, wants to come forward, we can give them the opportunity right now. Do we have anybody? No. Okay. So nobody else here. So we'll move on to item two. Um, review of the minutes of last meeting. Meaning? 00:01:18,000 S3: You have to approve. 00:01:19,167 S1: Thank you, Commissioner Zenker. 00:01:22,467 S4: I'll second. 00:01:24,100 S1: Thank you, Commissioner Saxon. Okay. Annie. 00:01:29,767 S2: Commissioner parsley. Yes. Commissioner Hall. Yes. Commissioner Swanson. Yes. Commissioner Nodland. Yes. Commissioner. Zenker. Yes. Commissioner. Sakariassen. 00:01:41,801 S4: Yes. 00:01:42,501 S2: Chair. Engel. 00:01:43,567 S1: Yes. All right. Thank you for that. And I'm sorry I missed that last meeting. It looks like you guys were really busy. Um, moving on to the regular agenda. We'll get an update on the 2024 Historic Preservation Fund grant. 00:02:01,567 S5: Uh, thank you, chair, Engel and commissioners. Um, so the item for this, uh, this agenda item, it's just related to an update for the Local History Education Resources Project under this 2024 HPF grant. An update on this project was last provided in February at Irregular Meeting. As a reminder, the overarching topic of the kits is the Great Depression in Bismarck. So your 1930s to pre-World War two. There are two kits being created, one for K through five grades, as well as one for six through 12. Some of the proposed activities may be similar between the two kits. Um, and there might be some activities included in there that might be slightly different, just based on the difficulty between the two grade point points. Um, each kit will include a table of contents, uh, a table of contents, list of objects and photos, activity guides with associated worksheets and objects, a teacher guide and bibliography, and a list of additional resources. Is a copy of one of the draft activity pages. Just so you can see how that would be laid out is included with within the packet for your reference. Each activity will have one of these. And they'll include the North Dakota Learning standards, both for history as well as other subjects. And that would be to help teachers determine which activity may be beneficial to include within their lesson plans if they'd like to use, utilize the resource. Our subcommittee consists of members of this commission, as well as representatives from the Bismarck Historical Society, as well as a teacher from Bismarck Public Schools. Those representatives from the Bismarck Historical Society also have backgrounds in teaching, which is beneficial for helping with those standards. No action is required at this time for the project, as subcommittee work is still ongoing. However, if there's any comments or suggestions related to the project that you have be very appreciated at this time. 00:04:11,000 S1: Thanks, Lauren. The commissioners have any comments or thoughts? 00:04:17,167 S1: Not this time. Thank you. Moving on. We'll go to the 2025 Historic Preservation Fund grant update. 00:04:32,400 S5: Thank you again, chair and commissioners. So I'll go through kind of the two different portions of the of this grant. There's two separate projects that are identified. And I'll just provide the different recommendations before for both of those before I would ask for any of those recommendations to be met. So the city of Bismarck was awarded $34,790 in funding from the 2025 Historic Preservation Fund grant, and that's to to perform the Downtown District Survey, as well as finalizing the historic preservation plan. Copies of each project's description that was submitted with that application for the grant are included in the agenda for your reference. A minimum match of 23,193 in donated labor is required for this grant, and it can be donated labor, which we typically do. Um, which is why it's noted as such. Several items will require review by commissioners outside of the regular monthly meetings here. Um, just as a reminder for any of you, uh, if possible, if you are reviewing outside of this commission, if you would keep track of your review time, um, it can be used for that donated labor match. Um, I'll provide a brief, uh, on the downtown district survey right now. The goal of the Downtown District Survey is to review and update properties within the current boundary of the Downtown Historic District, as well as to conduct a survey of properties surrounding that boundary, including those south of the railroad tracks. City staff anticipates setting up a meeting with staff from the State Historic Preservation Office to discuss their thoughts on the RFP and what the project as a whole would include, including the timeline for the project. A tentative timeline for the project is identified in the agenda to stay on track. Staff plan to include a draft RFP in the for the next meeting in October for the Historic Preservation Commission's review. Staff would recommend for that project for the Downtown Districts Survey that the Historic Preservation Commission determine which commissioners would like to help with drafting the RFP. If possible, staff would suggest that no more than two historic preservation commissioners assist with that drafting. Moving on to the Historic Preservation plan, at the last meeting, the Historic Preservation Commission requested an update on the progress of the Historic Preservation Plan. As a reminder, the subcommittee was created in 2024 or the most recent subcommittee was created in 2024 to finalize the work previously conducted on that plan. Recent work on the draft plan has included the creation of an implementation table for the goals and objectives, the inclusion of the Threats to Historic Resources section, and additional editing of various portions of the plan. The version of the draft plan included in the agenda packet only includes the text for that document, as well as the implementation table. Additional photos, graphics, other tables, etc. will be added later when staff work begins on the digital copy of the plan, as noted in the project description for the grant. A tentative timeline for that project is included in the agenda packet, and work will begin on the digital copy at the next scheduled subcommittee meeting on October 9th. Staff recommends that this Preservation Commission provide comments or suggestions on the plan or the project timeline. 00:08:27,000 S1: Thank you. Lauren. Thanks. 00:08:30,767 S1: Um, so first let let's think about the Downtown Historic District update. Um, and RFP creation. Does anybody want to volunteer? Okay, Beth. Thank you. Commissioner. 00:08:46,567 S6: I have a question. Oh, probably easy questions for Lauren. Um, so in the second paragraph, when it mentions 74 parcels for the survey and then site side farms or 77 or something. So is is this I think later it breaks that down as well. So. So there will be 151 properties addressed. Is that correct? 00:09:11,400 S7: Yep. 00:09:12,167 S5: Uh, chair commissioners, not Commissioner Nodland commissioners. So the 151 is is based on the current parcel data. Um, it was tentatively proposed as such. However, based on discussions, perhaps with the state going into that RFP, it may be adjusted just based on costs and everything. Um, for anyone who would be interested in doing the survey. 00:09:38,501 S6: And then, um, in the budget table, I was just trying to figure out what we would be asking a consultant to do. And so it looks like it's addressing at least 151 parcels. Um, some at a little more expensive rate, but in the budget, in the the match amount. You say HPC site forms, is there any expectation that the HPC is going to be preparing? Site forms or is that just review? 00:10:10,400 S7: Uh. 00:10:11,267 S5: That's a great question, Commissioner Nodland. Uh, chair. Commissioners. So the that match there is is basically for review. Um, there should be a, uh, further down below the table. It kind of explains a little bit more that donated labor component, um, where that match would be coming in from. Um, as you, as you're well aware of, uh, that's just an estimate for this. It may may be different depending on how many commissioners are fully reviewing all the proposed site forms. 00:10:45,868 S6: Okay. And I guess my question is in the first in the budget in the box, the first one has side form updates. And then the third one that's a match says Site forms. And I just want to make sure that the consultant is doing both site forms and updates. And the HPC is just doing review. 00:11:02,868 S7: That that would be correct. Yes. 00:11:04,767 S6: Just wanted to make sure. Um, um, I guess my my other question is if we are going to ask the consultant to do any meetings, whether here or public meetings or anything, this is a class three, so there usually wouldn't be one. But is there any need for us to because it's coming through us to request that they attend meetings? 00:11:34,567 S7: Uh. 00:11:35,367 S5: That's a great question, Commissioner Nodland. Chair. Commissioners. So how. 00:11:40,300 S7: How. 00:11:40,767 S5: We're currently doing our I guess our, our reconnaissance survey is. 00:11:45,167 S7: That the. 00:11:45,968 S5: Consultant may show up to some of the meetings if requested, but it would be based on their scope of work that's laid out in the in their contract as well as the RFP that would be provided. 00:11:59,868 S6: Is that something? Because, you know, how we had Southfork here presenting to us, that was really helpful. We will hope that they'll come to our meetings. Right. 00:12:08,567 S1: And that meeting was, uh, in part in her. 00:12:11,467 S6: Uh, volunteer. 00:12:12,267 S1: Yeah. No, it was in her contract that she would come and present and discuss with us. Okay. Her findings. So. 00:12:18,801 S6: Okay, so I think we should add that to I don't know if it's considered a product, but in the for sure. 00:12:25,200 S1: And I would think that this, uh, RFP as we construct it could kind of match what we had created already for the the South Capitol area to save time and energy. 00:12:36,767 S6: So, yeah, and. 00:12:38,000 S1: I'm sure that's in. 00:12:38,601 S6: There, I'm willing to work on that this RFP. 00:12:41,467 S1: Okay. Thank you. Are there any other volunteers? I'd like at least two people because that's kind of where I is for better. 00:12:55,667 S6: It probably shouldn't be anyone who's planning to bid on it or that has a conflict of interest. 00:13:03,267 S1: And I am probably going to recuse myself because I'm not really sure. 00:13:08,000 S4: I had no idea. 00:13:09,200 S1: Okay, okay, well, I'll take the first crack at it and we'll we'll get you some support later on. How's that? 00:13:16,868 S6: Well, yeah, especially if it's going to use the same template that we already have. It's not that hard, but I just. 00:13:23,467 S8: This is reviewing. 00:13:25,267 S6: Preparing the RFP that will. 00:13:26,767 S4: Pull out. 00:13:28,300 S6: But there's several at this table who will likely be bidding on that. 00:13:33,200 S1: Perhaps it. 00:13:34,267 S6: Limits. 00:13:35,100 S4: The pool here. 00:13:37,667 S8: If there's anything I can do to help somebody else is hey, I'm the guy. 00:13:41,767 S1: So thank you, Commissioner, personally, for stepping out. Um. All right. 00:13:47,067 S4: Um, to have somebody clean on the board. 00:13:52,868 S1: We are experts in Earth. 00:13:57,467 S1: Um, okay, so then moving on to the historic preservation plan. Oh, sorry. 00:14:03,367 S9: I do have one question. I'll have it be for longer. Who of where? Uh, what the decision was on where to draw the line for the expanded survey area. Because I know there's at least one parking garage in there. I'm like, if that's just to cover that area or I know nothing valuable, valuable is going to come out of that survey area. 00:14:25,000 S10: Well, it would actually depend on the age of. 00:14:28,000 S9: That parking garage. I'm pretty sure the parking garage near the, uh, the war memorial is pretty young. 00:14:34,367 S10: Well, I think there's one that probably. 00:14:37,300 S8: Yeah. 00:14:38,000 S1: But that's that's what we're going to pay the contractor to find out. 00:14:40,767 S9: That's true. I wasn't sure if it's just to verify that or not. 00:14:43,767 S10: 75 I'm sure it's not a site right now. 00:14:46,968 S4: So. 00:14:47,567 S9: But it is that parking garage 75. Maybe it looks. It looks like it's 20 tens. 00:14:53,200 S6: Oh, gosh. 00:14:54,100 S9: No. I guess they keep it clean. 00:14:55,267 S10: It was here when I moved here. 00:14:56,567 S9: Okay. 00:14:57,667 S4: Well, yeah. You're dating yourself? 00:15:00,868 S9: No, not that one. Not that one. The one, the the the one. The one that stylized to look like the, um. The library that used to be there. 00:15:07,400 S4: Oh, that. 00:15:08,267 S9: That's the one I'm talking about. 00:15:09,567 S4: No. 00:15:10,267 S9: No, no, the other one's eligible. 00:15:14,467 S9: That one needs to be listed. Okay. Sorry. Um. 00:15:19,801 S1: Any other questions? 00:15:20,868 S10: So we digressed. 00:15:22,767 S4: Warren. 00:15:23,467 S5: Commissioner halter, commissioners. There wasn't any specific like this needs to be looked at, kind of, um, decision making when that boundary was done. But it also we didn't want a Swiss whole kind of, uh, boundary going on for the survey. It made more sense, even though we're aware that there could potentially be ineligible properties within that boundary, it would make sense to do a wider boundary for that area. 00:15:52,868 S10: Um Comm Engel. Um, when we talked earlier about expanding the the look see south of the tracks, it's because when you actually look through the Polk's and through the Sanborn maps and you see how much of Bismarck actually was south of those tracks. Um, a good bit of it's gone, but not all of it. And so it it and it's tied in time, of course, to the development of downtown. So if you're downtown was had a spot but it was the whole development. It was a linear it was along the railroad tracks. It was railroad. It was, you know, um, places the lumber yards and all the things that offloaded off that off the rail lines. So this is this expansion to look south of the tracks. One would hope, would catch some of that history, which we have really completely neglected to fold in to any of the the narrative of, of the development of downtown Bismarck. So that's why we were looking at it, at expanding it down that way, if that helps justify that. 00:17:11,167 S1: Any other questions before you move on? Okay. That's okay. Um, the historic preservation plan is next for the priority three that we had identified. Um, anybody want any comments? Questions? Now that you've got the text in front of you at least. Yes. 00:17:35,567 S6: I don't have to always go first. I have a few comments. Okay. Okay. So the the first one on page 33 where it talks about the plan development summary. Um, it gives kind of the history 20, 20, 2023, 2024. And I am wondering if there's a way to incorporate into those something about that, the ongoing nature of it like that in the, uh, have we continued to work with the National Alliance for Historic Preservation Commission conference or other um groups, uh, trade groups that we've helped with? Is there a way to indicate if you guys have continued to go to conferences and get lots of help? And then on the next one for our historic context development, is there a way to say that website is still available on our web page? Um, and with a link if possible, but if that's not going to change, and then if there's anything like that, that sort of shows the ongoing nature of these developmental tasks. So I just think it's a really interesting summary of the development. 00:18:49,067 S1: Yeah. Thank you, Commissioner Nodland. Um, to. Answer those questions. We're going to have a ton of links, um. Throughout the web version of this document. Lots of pictures, lots of whatever we can add in to keep it exciting and new instead of just a word document. Um, and then, uh, the ongoing nature, I think, is it should be evident, we'll call it out in those areas, but it should be evident from our time frames of, of what we're doing, our goals and objectives. But those are a continuous sort of thing that we're going to be be hitting. Some of them are, you know, one and dones, but mostly it's going to be every few years. Or when we hit that mark, we'll move on to the next one, like the brochures for the districts. We'll refresh those periodically so they're not stagnant goals. 00:19:41,167 S6: Okay, then I answer one. My my other one. 00:19:43,467 S1: Sure. 00:19:43,868 S6: Um, is this the table? I think you've called it the implementation table. Um, so I thought that was. This is what I had asked about last meeting. This is what's really interesting to me, these goals. And, um, one of my questions that I have for us, this is what I had said, you know, that if I'd hoped, maybe it's time to do a strategic meeting or we had a special meeting originally. And so I think this table comes out of something many, many years ago. This the way this is written, it feels like a design plan and I think it's fabulous. But my question is on this table that the tasks that is somehow somewhere along the line and I can't remember when or how we prioritized them and like 1 to 5 and then so we have six goals and five of them, we we have high priority goals and we're not really working on any of those high priority goals we're working on more like in the level of the mid level three goals. And so I just thought that was really interesting that like one of our top high priorities that we as a as a HPC, whenever this table was put together, was to encourage people to do basic documentation of their properties prior to disaster, to kind of do some risk assessment and disaster planning. We haven't talked about that, so we haven't come up with the of a strategic implementation goal for that. Another one was to create a local landmark designation program. That's another one that at some point this body, some group of this body said that's our high highest number five priority. Um, another one was a historic preservation fair. So I think for me, it's like as every meeting when somebody comes with a really great idea of something to do. It's like, but we have these number five priorities. And does it fit? And and I think we could figure out ways like one of our number five priorities was to celebrate Historic Preservation Month in May. And another one, there's only a there's only five of them that are that are high priorities was to have a historic preservation fair. And the other one is to celebrate Historic Preservation Month in May. So maybe we do a historic preservation there in May, then that we we kind of take two of our highest priorities that we've established for ourselves. And I mean, I just trying to figure out how to fit things like the 250th celebration into our high priorities, or revisit this list with this body, this new body, and say, before we print this and say, are these still Our high number five priorities, because it seems like a lot of the number ones and to three is are what we're really doing, which is cool. We're getting a lot done. But I just feel like if we're going to print this table with our HPC number five, high priorities to meet our goals, it should reflect what what we want to do. And so that that I think this table I think it's fabulous. And the plan looks great and I just mine is like my my question is do we as a group revisit this list before it's printed? 00:23:10,667 S1: Um, yeah, I'm glad you brought that up because the number one, this whole plan is supposed to be a guiding document. What we want to be doing, not necessarily what we are doing. So it's hopefully going pointing in the right direction. Um, as far as the priority listings, that was largely the subcommittee saying this is what we think. John was there. Laura and me. The outside members. Um. These are where we wanted to focus our efforts next. And I'm glad you brought that up, that these, like, the 250th celebration is kind of a one off. And these anniversary things sneak up on us. Um, but the more we can tie it in and say, hey, we have this objective, this is the event or, um, potential funding opportunity. How do we blend those two things together? I think that's great. Um, as long as this is our touchstone saying this is what we care about as a committee, it's going to help the community understand when we do put funds towards something or put efforts into something, that they understand that this is why and this and if they have questions or they think that we should prioritize something differently. Great. Bring it up. I would love to hear that. Yeah. All the audience here. Um, and as far as the priorities, if you guys have different priorities, uh, as a commission, like we. This was just a baseline. This is what we thought. That's why we're bringing it to you. So if you have any other thoughts on what should be prioritized or not, I would love to hear them. 00:24:41,267 S8: Cheering goal. My question is some of these. There's only a few of them that have the five priority. Um, some of them though are have a timeline of 5 to 10 years down the road. And if we're putting our efforts on number five, 5 to 10 years down the road, one, two and three are going to be overlooked. While we're focusing on something that's not due for five years yet. And it's like, is that how to go about this? Is it still to say, let's focus on five or somebody on the committee or some of us still need to be concentrating on one, 2 or 3 that also will have some kind of impact may not be as important for sure, but there they come. They come due sooner than the five years. 00:25:22,167 S1: Thank you Commissioner. Personally, I would say that for a lot of these, the if they're longer term goals, that it's going to take 5 to 10 years to get us there. We have to consistently be working on that. Kind of like the plan itself while we were doing these other activities. And we have some subcommittees for a reason so that other things are getting done. Um, so I do, I do like that that call out that there are long term priorities that are high priority, probably our high priorities as well. Um, and I think if we as a commission outline what's possible in any given year, knowing what other events were wanting to to plan around, um, we can take it chunk by chunk and at least get it in the minutes if we don't do something or want to push something off so that people have that record. But yeah, that's a that's a great point. So anybody else? Commissioner Sakariassen. No. 00:26:17,000 S10: I was just in my own mind thinking, well, if if all the each of the sitting members of the board says, you know, I'm going to keep an eye on. Priority ones, I'm going to keep an eye on priority twos so that when we come to the meeting, somebody. Actually, and we make some decisions, somebody say actually thinking, well, okay, I'm I'm one. Does this fit. Does this help any of the things in the one in the one categories of the things on the list. Number three says, well this this fits in three of three of the things I'm, I'm looking at. It would be maybe a helpful. Sort of splintering of of attention to perhaps make it easier easier for a board such as this to kind of keep this actually part of the monthly thing. Somebody actually looked at what we're what we're going after, what's before us, what we're looking at and seeing if it ticks any of the one boxes that he's he's looking at. 00:27:42,567 S1: That's I agree. 00:27:43,367 S10: That kind of a I mean. 00:27:45,300 S1: That that makes sense. Um, we also factored in how much money and how much budget we might have for any given year. Uh, knowing the purse strings are getting tighter, that some of these low hanging fruit, maybe the only thing we can get done with the money available to us. Uh, so that might have stuff. 00:28:05,000 S4: To do to you. 00:28:06,767 S1: Any other thoughts? 00:28:10,200 S6: Chair. Wrinkle? 00:28:10,968 S4: Sure. 00:28:12,367 S6: So I wonder that, like, I appreciate the work that the subcommittee did. And now that it's in front of us, I guess what I'm wondering is if there's a way for us as a group to look at the recommendations and say, you know, I like this idea of looking at like, these are the things that are on the 0 to 2 years or 0 to 3 years. Here's the things. And then here's the, you know, to kind of look at what's been brought and created for us and make sure that we understand it and that, that if anybody if I remember when we did the brainstorming sessions to come up with our plans, it was we did a couple of hours with just the, the, the HPC commissioners to kind of give people's like, who's willing to be the one who's willing to represent two and threes. And, you know, so that now that the subcommittee has done its work is like, bring it to us. And and how do we figure out like, here's the things that look like 0 to 3 year. Here's the things that are 2 to 4 year. Here's the things that are 5 to 10 and sort of see what. Because if nobody wants this is I think what we came up with last time as if nobody wants to do something. It was like, well, should it really be on our list? It went away. If nobody was willing to volunteer to rep that, it it dropped off. And so I, I mean, I, I guess now that it's to us, I feel like we should address this list. 00:29:44,467 S1: Absolutely. Thank you. Commissioner. And that sounds great. Um, these objectives and goals were compiled from between the surveys, from public comments, from best practices of other commissions. And what was there originally. What you guys, the original committee who put together the plan. Some of those goals were still in here too. So it's a very big mix. So yeah, if we wanted to, um, have a have a breakout session with just the commissioners to discuss all of these things and kind of tear them apart and figure out what's what's still real, And we can table some. We put it out there that this is a I think you mentioned it before the meeting started, that this is this is every ten years. We were going to update this because it is a big lift. We have a lot in here. Um, if there are things that we would like to table, I suggest making that list and getting into the record that maybe in five years we revisit that and slowly, because it's a living document, that we build some more stuff in as we get tasks taken off. So. 00:30:49,767 S1: Okay. Do we need a motion then to set up a special meeting with all the commissioners or. 00:30:54,667 S4: No, probably. 00:30:56,567 S1: Roberts would probably like that. So. 00:30:59,667 S6: Well, I guess we should have. 00:31:02,367 S4: Yeah. 00:31:03,367 S6: Yeah. Well, I think when we did it last time, we just scheduled the, you know, like a full meeting. It was fully posted. Anybody could come, but it was like, this isn't how we're gonna brainstorm or we're going to look at strategic plan what we are willing to do. And I'm not sure if I remember this correctly, but it might have been before we had staff when we were just first forming or before we had more regular stuff, and so it really fell on the backs of the commissioners. Of what were the commissioners willing to do? 00:31:39,667 S4: Yeah, it's just the two originals. Yeah. So I'm asking you what you were working on me. 00:31:45,400 S6: Okay. But I mean, now we have. 00:31:47,267 S4: We have staff. We have. 00:31:48,100 S1: Let's ask the staff what their opinion is. 00:31:50,467 S6: And so that's the question is what, um, does it really matter anymore? What, what? We're willing to volunteer our time and effort and focus commitment to. Or do we make a plan? That's for the public because. 00:32:09,701 S6: I don't know. And I mean, if nobody wants to have a brainstorming meeting, then we shouldn't have one. It's just a suggestion. 00:32:18,601 S1: As as for. I'm sorry, I don't think I'm quite understanding. You want to go through this as a committee, correct. To decide what we are willing to do. 00:32:28,601 S6: I mean, if that's if or if somebody has different ideas to. I mean, that would be the or if, if nobody if there are things on here that like last time from experience, no one was willing to get involved with. Right. And so then how would it get done? And so if we put it on our task, it says, here's a goal and a priority for us, but nobody really wanted to do it. Then what kind of a task list is it? So I'm I'm just asking. This is the first time I've seen this list. So I think it's huge and has a lot of things and a lot of people have different interests. So it probably makes room for a lot of different people. But I just don't know if we've talked about this particular priority list as a board as we have. 00:33:12,767 S4: Not yet, but So, Commissioner angle. 00:33:18,067 S10: Chair. Angle. Excuse me. 00:33:19,767 S1: Commissioner. 00:33:20,167 S4: Sachs. Commissioner. 00:33:21,167 S10: Um. But isn't that actually what what we're doing right now? This is the stage where we need to look at what they've got. Again, and then let it percolate. Take a look at see, see whether it's hitting the hitting the sort of ideas and things that we had thought it would be doing and come in next meeting and say, hey, you know, I don't know that it needs it. It may be something that would be more expeditiously handled in a duly noticed, um, meeting, but you've got we've got in front of us. What everybody what, what the subcommittee has been working on. And so I think our, our thing now is to look at what they've been working on and, and see if it seems to align with what each of us individually has been thinking and, and report back to them that, that, to that, that subcommittee that I don't think this is, you know, got the right time frame. I don't think I mean, I think this is a comment. This is where this is our meeting where we're looking at the material. Now we can make some comments and, and go after those after we've all responded to this before we make any printed. 00:34:55,200 S4: Yeah. 00:34:56,367 S1: And that we're, we're really far away from the design and printing all of this. This is just to get your guys's opinion about the content right now. 00:35:04,367 S10: But it. 00:35:04,868 S4: It looks. 00:35:06,467 S10: It certainly looks familiar. 00:35:09,100 S4: It looks like. 00:35:09,801 S10: You've covered, you know, millions and millions of things and have done a good idea of good job of sorting out potential time, time frames. I think that that's significant for any board that is changes in its composition to be aware. Oh, this isn't something that we were ever anticipating to to have fixed have done or whatever. So I, I think. 00:35:42,601 S4: This. 00:35:43,267 S10: This is a good document to look over and I will report back on, on what my opinion is and if and if there's anything I kind of think that's where we are. 00:35:55,968 S4: Okay. 00:35:56,501 S1: Commissioner Pressley. 00:35:57,601 S8: Cheering well I was going to say that this is the first I've seen. So I'd love to sit down with it and just look the whole thing through. And just like you say come back next month or next meeting and then decide from there we're going to have a separate committee. You know, a subcommittee or us to get together a special meeting or whatever. Or do it at the meeting itself. 00:36:14,868 S1: And we could reserve the. After we adjourn the regular meeting next month. If there's enough to warrant a meeting, we just adjourn the regular meeting and go into the details of this to to hammer some of it out. 00:36:31,000 S8: Yes. 00:36:31,667 S11: You can just make it part of the meeting. Right. Because we get through the other stuff pretty quickly. So take seven minutes to go through the, the, the grant update and then just spend the rest of the time on that document. Okay. That way you wouldn't have to go through the. 00:36:46,100 S1: Closing. 00:36:46,567 S11: And closing and opening and all the. 00:36:47,767 S4: Other. 00:36:48,200 S11: Stuff that goes. 00:36:49,000 S4: With. I appreciate you. 00:36:51,100 S1: Cutting down on the chaos meetings. So thank you, Commissioner Nowlin. 00:36:57,467 S6: Chair angle, I have a question. So I think all the other pieces in here look really good. And I guess I have a question. You said you used some other documents, like for the for the laws and the tax credits and the designations and things like that. Does that feel. Did you guys. Do you feel like that feels pretty complete to you for what is in North Dakota? Everything there feels good because it looks good. 00:37:22,567 S1: We think so, yeah. We kind of pulled everything in and then we did stuff back out. So I think we've looked at everything and reviewed it. Did we catch everything? I don't know, that's if you guys see anything missing let us know. But again we're we're doing our best. And Lauren did a great job pulling everything in. And we did it off the backs. 00:37:42,467 S4: Of. 00:37:43,267 S1: Former commissioners to Blake and Tory and everyone else. So yeah, it was definitely group effort which we appreciate not having to start from zero. Yeah. All right. Any other comments questions okay then I don't even know. Do we need a motion for anything. I think we're just. 00:38:06,701 S12: Masters. I think as a member of the subcommittee, that was our intention and to begin with, was to put this together so that it could be reviewed by the staff, and we'd come back and we'd handle it. And I agree with Commissioner Zenker that we've got time. That could happen in within the meeting. 00:38:24,367 S1: Thanks, Ron. 00:38:25,200 S4: Yeah. 00:38:29,200 S4: All right. 00:38:30,801 S1: Um, does the staff need a motion at all for any of this stuff? Okay. Um, is there any other business that has not been discussed yet that people would like to bring up? 00:38:42,367 S4: Lauren. 00:38:46,667 S5: Are we on the other business or the agenda? 00:38:49,567 S4: Thank you. I just. 00:38:50,300 S5: Needed to. Just needed to confirm that. All right. Chair Engel and commissioners, there's a little item on there for the 250th anniversary under the other business section on your agenda. Um, I just wanted to give you an update since this was brought up at the last meeting. Um, uh, staff and commissioners. Hall and parsley met with members of the Bismarck Historical Society, as well as staff from the Bismarck Administration Department. Um, Monday of this week to begin discussing the celebratory efforts for the 250th anniversary. Um, a lot of that discussion revolved around, um, potential events, activities mainly related to potentially utilizing funding from that North Dakota. Uh 250 community initiatives grant, if possible. Um, some of those ideas from that discussion, including included a story walk component utilizing portions from the Bismarck timeline. Um, the idea was we already have that information there. We can, uh, update it as necessary to fit into that overarching team. 250th history of the US. Um, and part of that discussion for that story walk included potentially starting it as like an additional component, um, or a display, uh, for different events throughout the next year and then potentially moving to those items to a permanent location, such as the event center. Um, it's just an idea. Uh, it's not finalized, but that was one of them. Uh, one of the other ideas was hosting a symposium, or I'm going to screw this word up a Chautauqua. Uh, if anyone knows what that is, it's like a living history component. Um, so that was an idea that was thrown out there. Another one was potentially creating educational cards, almost either like trading cards, if you would call them that. Um, utilizing portions of the Bismarck timeline again and reworking it as well. And that could be an option to hand out that educational material at the 4th of July event that's held at the bowl. Um, for that one. Staff will be checking with the state just to make sure that it's an eligible expense, and we can work it under an educational material item. Um, the other option was reframing the Bismarck timeline in a sense and turning it into a short history series utilizing Dakota media access, potentially. Um, that would need to be worked out, but it was another one of those options. Um, discussion involved identifying how the city should be involved. Um, one idea was that instead of applying for the funds itself, the city could support other groups in the community. Um, who would be applying for grant funding and provide assistance with those associated historical narratives or information. Then another idea included having the city apply for a specific project and other community organizations applying for their own, but working those in together and tying them into the various projects to make sure that they're cohesive. Um, next steps that were identified at that meeting from that group included having city staff reach out to other potential organizations in the community to see if any of those groups are planning anything for next year, and if so, determining if there would be a potential to tie those projects together. The Bismarck Historical Society was going to check in with their board to determine what they would like to do for this, so they would give an update on what we discussed on Monday, and then they would double check on any potential ideas for that as well. Um, staff is also working to reach out to various sign companies. Um, regarding that story walk display, um, just to see if there's different types of signs that could be potentially utilized. If that were a route that we would go down for, uh, um, any activities for the, those efforts? Um, and then uh, staff would also look into those potential card funding options as well. Um, the group at uh, the group, uh, with the city and or the Bismarck Historical Society would apply for the grant funds from the North Dakota 250 Community Initiatives grant. That's kind of what, uh, the first priority would be for the funding. Um, however, uh, uh, it would be for the next review cycle, which begins January 1st. So there's a little bit of time in between. So if the city did decide that they'd like to apply for grant funding, and there would be time to bring it to this board for any review and then get city commission approval as needed. Um, with how extensive that application requirement is for the National Endowment for the Human Humanities Celebrate America grant? Um, it was discussed, however, um, those application requirements, with how extensive they are applying for it may be a secondary option, and that would depend on if the funds are not available or we don't receive any funding from that state grant, or if the project's proposed budget for whatever it would be would be much higher than it would be covered under the state. So those are just some of those high level items that were discussed at the meeting there. Any questions? 00:44:47,767 S4: Thanks, Lauren. 00:44:49,467 S1: That all sounds great. And I just wanted to say first that I love the idea of having something physical that people can see. Especially if it mirrors what's on the timeline. A lot of people are visual, so if they if they see that sort of a path and then you have a QR code or tell them where to find the information, they're probably more apt to to look it up if they can see a chunk of it already and get them excited. So I like that idea that we can reuse them too. 00:45:15,968 S4: Yes. Commissioner. 00:45:17,267 S10: Yes. Um. Uh, chair angle. Um, I had a phone call, and, uh, Commissioner Swanson will probably know something about this as well from, uh, Jan Webb with Bagga. Um, also about, uh, the wanting to to set up a meeting, which I have set up with her, um, to see if, um, the this, um, this commission would be interested in any sort of partnership in developing, Being an exhibit at Baga, using this same pot that people are going after for the 250. Um, and she suggested that, um, it would be interesting to to get together. This might be one of the bores also, um, you know, Bismarck Historical Society clearly, um, that might be interested in talking about and developing what, um, kind of a display could be, um, could be put on at Baga using, um, that, that framework. Um, and I don't know, Commissioner Swanson, do you have any. I mean, you talked to her probably more than I did. No, no. 00:46:43,767 S4: Oh. You didn't. 00:46:45,601 S12: I talked to her for about two minutes, but. 00:46:47,868 S10: Doctor, for three. 00:46:48,767 S12: So what I got told was that you knew my schedule better than I did. You knew where I was going to be, so I was available. But I don't have any comments right now. I don't. 00:47:00,100 S10: So apparently there's a she had when she was speaking to me, there was some the idea that had come to some of the people in Baga, I'm assuming, or maybe just her, um, an exhibit of either artwork or photographs related to, um, to Bismarck in, you know, whether it's photographs of buildings, architectural details on buildings, any kind of a thing. Maybe it's people, you know, she was looking for some way to tie art and the community in with this. So I agreed to to meet with her, because then I can bring something back and see if this is something that that might be something. I'm assuming from the way she spoke. It's more of the thing that they would write the grant and, and we would be essentially planning an advisory to the, to the subject material and to to what would be. It sounds kind of interesting to me. 00:48:12,467 S12: I think a lot of possibilities. 00:48:13,901 S10: Yeah, yeah, there are many possibilities and it's just how to conceptualize it and that will know better what what bag is thinking to meet with them. 00:48:27,467 S4: That's great. So commissioner. 00:48:29,767 S8: Chair and commissioners, we were we discussed that on Monday about who could be some of our partners that we could lend support to. And, you know, if we visited with them to say, okay, you can apply for the 10,000 and you can apply for the 10,000 and will do letters of recommendation and or just somehow work with you guys to get something together so we can, you know, more partners. We could get the better. Um, and that was one of the things we discussed about rather than us, the HPC, necessarily applying for the grant, but letting them apply for it and kind of partnering with as many people as we can line up. 00:49:08,267 S4: Yeah, I like that. 00:49:09,567 S10: Yeah, I mean, it it does seem as if when one of the things that the HPC has to do is raise people's awareness and, and understanding of what our role is, that this these things are always that are not necessarily spelled out as, you know, talk with baggage, you know, but but there are all kinds of interesting Partnerships that will come along. And if one of the missions is to to elevate what? What the role of this body is and what the role of our understanding of its history is within the community, then I think it's we're hitting something on that. 00:50:03,167 S1: And and right along with that, if you guys look back at the the chart that we made, we that last column is funding opportunities. We could easily make that funding in partnership opportunities and at least call out who we were partnering with as we do things, which will. 00:50:18,701 S4: Also. 00:50:19,567 S1: I would hope, raise awareness after we're doing them. But yes, and again, I want to get the word out there. All right. Any other thoughts? 00:50:28,868 S4: Yes. 00:50:29,267 S12: I have a separate thought. Um, I was wondering if the commission has ever thought about sending out letters of congratulations to people who have gotten their properties on the National Register? I'm thinking of the burn house now, you know. Is that within the scope of what? The commission? 00:50:48,701 S1: I would think. 00:50:49,367 S12: So. I do. I mean, it could go out to people when there is a district dominated to just individually, the ones that are contributing to the district. You know, as also sort of not only a congratulations, but a reminder that your structure is a contributing structure and you're building. You know, congratulations as a individually nominated and awarded building. Just a thought. 00:51:13,868 S13: Yeah, I like that. 00:51:14,567 S9: That's a good thought. 00:51:19,567 S9: Going back. Um, going back to, uh, Commissioner Saxon's thing with Vega. I know one thing we discussed Monday was, you know, like the signs going on permanent display or at least storage in the exhibit hall at the commit. You know, Civic Center is, I guess, asking back what their thoughts are. If you know, when, One once they're on. Once. Presumably they're not on permanent display for years and years. A bag of like. Do they want to have them, you know, join to replace those high quality wax dolls that everyone else. 00:51:55,267 S9: Just sounds good. 00:51:59,868 S1: Any other. 00:52:00,367 S4: Thoughts? 00:52:02,267 S1: Okay. Hearing none, we will adjourn. The next meeting is scheduled for October 15th. Back here in the Tom Baker meeting room. Thanks, everyone.