00:00:10,730	All right, looking at the clock, it is 3 o’clock on October 15th. Uh, we are here in the Tom Beaker meeting room for the historic Preservation Commission meeting. Um, will you please to call a roll? Comm Zenker, here, Comm Swanson. Comm Perceley Comm Hall Commissioneracerson here, Comm Noddlin here. Comm Eng or Chair Engel, apologize here.

00:00:41,730	All right. Um, the historic preservation reports are, uh, in your packets to review. Uh, most of them are minor, uh, little, um, modifications for existing buildings. There weren’t any issues on um, are there any people, uh, for the public comment period Online. I know there’s nobody here physically No.

00:01:04,170	OK, then we will move on to the regular agenda. I would call for uh approval of the meeting minutes for I’ll, I’ll, um make a motion to approve the minutes. Second. All right. Any discussion, or revisions that anybody saw? Hearing none? K. Comm Nodland Yes Comm Zenker. Comm Swanson, Commissioneracerson, yes, Chair Engel, yes.

00:01:44,730	All right is approved. Uh, then we’re going to move on to the irregular agenda item of the historic preservation Fair. Uh, thank you Chair Engel and Commissioners. Um, so this idea might have come out of left field for some of you.

00:02:16,170	However, it was brought up multiple times, um, by members of the historic Preservation Plan Subcommittee, um, through those discussions, um, with both members of this commission who are part of that subcommittee as well as members of the community. Um, that specific idea was added as potential strategy to accomplish goals of the and objectives of the historic preservation plan.

00:02:36,070	Um the goal of the historic preservation Fair would be to provide an opportunity for members of the community who have questions related to preserving their properties or who are interested in the processes to be able to ask questions, um, of multiple groups at one time in one place.

00:02:59,100	Um, so the agenda packet, uh, that you have before you briefly includes information discussing what could be included at the historic preservation Fair, how it could potentially be funded, what those potential funds could go towards.

00:03:21,330	And then what the potential timeline could be for that, um, so as part of that staff did reach out to uh the staff from the state historic Preservation Office to discuss things, um, for consideration, such as, uh, what funds could be used, uh, if any grant funding was utilized and if there would be any interest in the in that specific organization participating. Um, so a little bit of just, uh, of that is also included within your packet. Um, so based on the information provided in the Agenda, staff recommends several actions.

00:03:42,730	Um, one would be to determine if the historic Preservation Commission would like to host a historic preservation fair, and if that would happen if the historic preservation Commission would like to host a fair, uh, staff would ask, uh, that this commission determine how it will be funded. There is information in the packet.

00:04:03,000	uh, as to those potential options, um, and then the second item if the this commission would like to host the fair would be to determine who from the historic preservation Commission will help plant, um, as a reminder, more than 2 historic preservation Commissioners at one time in one area, uh, requires notice of those

00:04:25,470	meetings, so just keep that in mind. Thank you. Thank you, Lauren. Um, I would like to say that this, this came about multiple discussions, and we just finally figured out, hey, if we could get everything in one place, we can reach the public, we can, um, double down on our advertising.

00:04:42,870	We can have a table there as a commission, uh, highlighting the other things that we’ve been doing, including the plan, that hopefully we’ll be ready to go at that point. Um, it just, it kind of captured a lot of, of our targets, uh, for the plan and outreach. Um, so I guess that kind of.

00:05:00,730	shows my hand of how I feel about this, um, but do you guys have any thoughts on it? Uh Comm Engelel, Commissioners, um, question, do you think that this is something, uh, you probably have more understanding or maybe knowledge through maybe Maccalf about History Corres.

00:05:31,700	and if there are any aspects of that that we could pull into this because they have the sort of hands-on not the same people you always see. Correct, yeah, um, Bergenson, I don’t know whether there is even his story History Corn anymore, but there was last month. So, let’s hope there is.

00:05:53,170	But I just was wondering if that might be something that we could pull a resource in if we were to do that, that didn’t. continually go back to the same. 5 victims for sure, um, you know, uh, of people who are willing to, to come forward with their expertise.

00:06:14,900	Right? And I think, um a component of this is not just the presentations, although presentations would be awesome is it would be an opportunity for the local contractors that deal in historic preservation, like having to rehab windows or residing or any of that.

00:06:32,730	We would invite those firms to come and have a booth too, so the public can talk about that and what the expenses are, pros and cons, um, those sorts of things too. So it would be a lot of different things happening all in the same area over the course of I don’t know, a day, 2 days if we get really wild and we have a ton of interest.

00:06:51,870	Um, some demonstrations would be good, and I’m sure that’s, um, probably what you were thinking is doing some demonstrations on, on preserving windows and stuff like that. Um, and then I know that we’ve had a few other groups that I’ve been involved with in the past, uh, archaeology Day is down in Colorado is huge and it gets bigger every single time they host it every year.

00:07:10,470	Food trucks, that sort of thing. So if we could place it someplace, we might be getting more buy-in, um, or tie it to another event and have it running concurrently with that. In the same area. So, uh, we get more foot traffic as well. But there’s a lot of different ways this could go.

00:07:28,100	It depends on the interest, depends on funding, of course. Yes, Comm Zenker. So Chair Engel, Comm I’ll use my, I’ll put my construction hat on for a little bit. Um, one thing that may help you instead of doing something different is, um, the um community has, I’m trying, I just forgot the um the, uh, HomeBuilders Association.

00:07:54,870	Jeez, that’s a little stump there. HomeBuilders Associates has their annual spring at the Event Center. The home show, so it might be an opportunity to um have a booth there and talk about historic if you that that that’s the avenue you want to go is about.

00:08:14,170	uh capturing historic preservation on homes, older homes, um, a lot of times they, they’ve done it before, they’ve Co boost, so there wouldn’t be a cost. It’s a Friday afternoon through Saturday afternoon. It’s a extended period of time. Um, that might be an opportunity.

00:08:33,730	There’s a lot of people that go through there, probably I don’t know, 3000 or 4500, depending on the weather and what time of year it is, that could, that’ll give you, you know, uh, that way you’re not planning anything, right? And, and, and brainstorm, I mean, so to speak, and they’re always looking for ideas out there or or demos or those types of of things, so you could bring the historic side

00:08:52,530	to a a modern area of, of building, um, Dan Watson is the is the executive officer for the HomeBuilders Association. Yeah, it’d be very interesting if we could get her to even, if there are a lot of the historical or historical homes area, like to get that carved out so we could all be kind of

00:09:11,600	clustered instead of scattered throughout. Yeah, they don’t do it that way. I mean, it’s kind of first come, first serve, you pick and that’s, it’s people want prime time. Sometimes they want closest to the door on Saturday type thing, so that’s how they do it.

00:09:28,270	But I mean, you can, I, I think that’d be a, a beneficial opportunity to do that. That’s a great suggestion. Thank you. I, I agree. Madam Chair. I think, uh, also the uh technical, uh, education program with the high school, uh, system is interested in some of the uh construction related issues that they might want to get involved in, you know, educate their students a

00:09:47,900	little bit on preservation and, and techniques and methods and. concerns, you know, all that sort of thing, so Career Academy. Yeah, Career Academy. That’s what I was trying to think of, yeah. I can’t.

00:10:15,100	Yeah, Chair Z Engel, Commissioners, um, it is true that, um if you target just focus on just targeting people who haven’t old home that that’s not necessarily that’s a little, I, I’m not gonna say elitist, but it, it’s it’s it’s it’s it’s, it’s a little exclusive to pull in people who actually do live in a home that they may not consider um old enough to have have um special needs in, in, in the,

00:10:41,900	uh, handling of the materials and stuff like that. So it may be an opportunity to pull in people so that I, we, those of us who have old homes.

00:11:10,700	know that, um, it’s very difficult to find people who are willing and if we met kind of halfway by being that we’re not against new construction. We’re not against those things, and I think that is sometimes. the um assumption that people get when we talk about historic preservation that, that we’re elitist about it. And, and that’s not it, we just want the best. for our property as we are trying to maintain it.

00:11:30,430	but it doesn’t mean you don’t want a modern bathroom. It doesn’t mean, you know, so there, there are a lot of ways that you have to. you know you know, get that deck all all melded together and this might be a really good way rather than trying to have a a standalone standalone event,

00:11:52,900	yet you could still perhaps we can find information from either, uh, showing clips of even the History Core people doing rehab or people from the National Trust, they’ve got files and files of, of showing of things, showing people how they might approach a project if we could have something like that running, um, some of the other

00:12:16,970	vendors might actually think, well, this is actually some of this stuff is something we hadn’t really dealt with much, but yeah, we can handle we could handle that. And when you think about now historic homes are 1980s.

00:12:35,070	It’s, it’s not what I consider a historic home, but that’s what it is. It’s, but it is aging and they need rehab and tender loving care. This could address the range of age that we’re actually looking at because we’re not all Queen Anne Victorians.

00:12:51,070	In fact, we almost aren’t any of them, and yet that’s how somehow the package seems to be so I think that, that Comm Zenker had a has a, has a good So I idea there. Um, in light of that, uh, unless Beth has something to add online.

00:13:12,370	Oh, you have, well, I, I was gonna speak to the other configuration, but this one sounds like a good one and like everyone’s going this way. If it, if we were to have our own sort of preservation day or archaeology day, similar. Um, I know we would be happy to put a booth up and do presentations.

00:13:31,630	The only thing I was going to ask is that it would be the beginning of May, so it doesn’t interfere with graduations and the end of school. But if it, if it depends on when the uh homebuilders show is, um, and if we, if we’re a booth at the HomeBuilder show, then that’s not really relevant. So, um. sounds good OK.

00:13:50,330	And we can go back to the drawing board in the next month here, reconfigure this so it’s not a stand-alone fair, but we’re going to try and incorporate as many ideas and then we’ll reach out to, to Dawn and see what you get and you can, um, so that’s typically it, it revolves around, um, kind of the state basketball type area that that

00:14:08,170	march, sometimes it leaks into the early part of May, uh, or not May, April. um, so that’s, that’s about where that is and, and, and, you know, you can, they’re pretty decent sized boos, so maybe they comp one and we, we rent one or whatever and you can do have the whole aspect from the archaeological

00:14:27,230	standpoint all the way to you know, historic preservation that’s great yeah. Be kind of interesting to have somebody do a few thi, have a few little small things that they could do like, you know, a Dutchman or something like that that just uh catch people’s eyes Awesome.

00:14:51,230	Well, thank you, that’s great, and I don’t, then we won’t make any motions for this right now, but next month it will be on the agenda A again. um, in a new way. So thank you all for that. It’s great. Uh, we have subcommittee or are we going to, is that.

00:15:09,270	Um Is it, sort of casual Do you want to be, are you volunteering? In which case, yes. OK, John volunteer. Was anybody else want in on this? Yeah, I, I’d Amy, thank you, Commissioners for standing up. I love coming up with ideas and then pushing it off to other people. That would be great. Awesome.

00:15:32,330	Thank you for the volunteering, and Beth and I probably have stuff that we can help if we want any sort of examples of things, bricks, random, historic stuff. got a lot. OK, um, moving on to the 2025 historic Preservation Fund grant update. Uh, thank you again, Chair Engel and Commissioners.

00:15:56,800	There are 2 items under this agenda, uh uh project. So the first is the Downtown District survey, and the second is the historic preservation plan. Um, I’ll be asking for an action of this commission for the Downtown District survey prior to discussion of the historic preservation plan.

00:16:16,070	Um, so the goal of the Downtown district is to review and update properties within the current boundary of the Downtown Historic District as well as to conduct a survey of properties surrounding the current boundary of the historic district, including those south of the railroad tracks.

00:16:34,900	Um, staffing Comm personally Anne Nodland met with staff from the State Historic Preservation Office at the end of September to discuss items to include within the request for proposals for the Downtown District survey project. Um, notes from the this discussion as well as comments from Commissioners are were incorporated into the draft RFP and the draft is attached for discussion and ultimately approval from this commission.

00:16:57,230	Um, I do want to note it’s not included in your packet, but staff has also reached out to the city’s procurement officer to confirm that the RFP followed all relevant current and proposed guidelines since they are currently being reviewed at this time.

00:17:17,470	Um, one thing I would like to note that I failed to include in the agenda relates to the RFP selection committee, um, rather than coming back in, in a month or so and asking for you to determine the selection committee. I figured it’s best to include it with the RFP here, um, to save your time for it.

00:17:34,600	Um, so our past practice was to have two members of this commission along with a couple members of staff, um, and they would be part of that selection committee. Um, however, through discussion with the procurement officer, it was suggested that a city Comm be part of the selection committee, potentially the Comm who holds this portfolio.

00:17:58,000	If that happens, the city Comm holding this portfolio would take one of the historic preservation Comm spots for the selection committee. So there are two recommended actions for this tonight, uh, staff would recommend that historic Preservation Commission one review and approve the draft RFP of the Downtown District survey, and two determine who should be part of the selection committee for the RFP.

00:18:19,900	I’ll come up and talk on the historic preservation plan after this item. Great, thank you, Lauren um, Comm Zenker, are you willing and able to serve? Yeah, I’ve done it before for others, so it’s not a problem. OK. Let’s review it and score it. Thank you.

00:18:37,000	Then we’ll need one more, um, type. I think, I, I believe my firm is reviewing this to, to potentially bid on. So I’m not going to volunteer I am willing to volunteer. OK. That would be great. Thanks, Beth. All right, well then, uh, we have our selection committee. Were there any, uh I guess, uh, we should open a motion.

00:19:00,370	to approve this, and then we can have discussion after we get motions. to follow the whole move to approve um, this putting the RFP forward A second. John, OK. Sounds great. And then if, if there’s any discussion, uh, corrections, edits that anybody found? going once, going twice. OK, let’s call it. Comm Zenker Yes, Comm Swanson.

00:19:43,730	Commissioneracerson, yes, Comm Nodland Yes, Chair Engel, yes. Um, great. So we knock that out, uh, Laren, you wanna come up and, uh, talk about the second half.

00:20:10,900	All right, at the last meeting, uh, theoric Preservation Commission asked that this project and its associated documents BBra be brought back for further review and discussion for the specific meeting. It was included at the end of the meeting for any potential discussion that would occur for this. Um, so the text version of the plan and the implementation table are attached.

00:20:30,600	Um, these were not changed from their inclusion in last meeting’s agenda, um, staff recommends that the historic Preservation Commission provide comments or suggestions on the plan. Thank you. Thanks, Lauren Uh you all had a time chance to review it and we’re missing, uh, Comm Perley and Hull. I don’t know if they have any edits. Did they submit anything? No? OK. We’ll check with them first. Amy, did you have some? No? No.

00:20:58,370	OK, well, this was going to be part of our working session to just plow through all the edits and the, so that means we’re all off the hook early. the handres, thanks. Oh I don’t know if it’s OK to go now. Um. OK.

00:21:24,070	The, uh, only question that I had is that we had talked about having a meeting either during our meeting or immediately following a meeting, and it looks like on the plan on we have from October till February, and then so that’s I think 44 upcoming meetings or if, if we, I don’t know if we meet in December, but um, so I’m

00:21:41,500	wondering if we can um do that to kind of narrow down our. um priorities on the uh on the wish list of activities. OK. Um, yeah, I think, uh, one of the things I neglected, I figured there was going to be more discussion and I could bring it up later.

00:22:05,170	But, um, we, the subcommittee met, uh, with Daniel, um, on Thursday to discuss the, um design aspects of this and how it was going to appear. And, um, so we’re, we’re starting to work on that. um, until he had all the edits from, from our group for the text, which it doesn’t sound like there are any.

00:22:26,170	He didn’t want to get started on design, but now that we have a improved, at least the meat of the, um, looks good to go. Um, we can, um put that on for, uh, going through the goal section, I think is what you’re referring to, correct? for what we want to look at. OK.

00:22:46,330	OK. Um, I would think that that segment of this plan wouldn’t derail anything that Daniel wanted to get started on for design. Um, and we could all queak the, the time frames and the priorities, um, a little bit if we wanted to after this.

00:23:07,070	so either following this meeting or we can come, um, back and just focus on that part of it. Um. and I don’t know, thoughts, John? As far as the goals are concerned, we were talking about, uh, Dan was suggesting a landscape format for the thing which would spread this out.

00:23:28,630	on the long direction of the paper make it easier to read and And insert photos and, and diagrams photos and everything else, you know, into the text or and all the icons that we want to insert and everything, so we kind of ended with it was if the text is fine, we’re going to start. putting it together right now. Yeah. But that’s Daniels doing, I guess. Yeah.

00:23:49,800	Yeah, and I don’t think my comment had anything to do with the, with the design or of holding it up at all. It’s just that of the, the pages of goals that we had talked about, um, having a basically a strategic meeting to think about what

00:24:09,070	there’s a lot of them and sort of which ones rise to the top for us for the next few years. But I mean, if nobody wants to do that, that’s OK too. It’s just a, you know, we, and I think Comm Zenker had suggested we could do it within a meeting rather than having a special meeting.

00:24:26,700	that I, so I just was wondering if we could put it on the calendar for November or January or February to have that kind of a just a discussion even about what, cause I know the subcommittee put a lot of time into thinking about those goals and activities, and so now the

00:24:44,000	commission should look at them and see if that’s what we all want to do. Thanks Beth La Um I, I guess my understanding from last meeting from your wishes was that it be included at the end of the meeting for that discussion to happen at this specific meeting tonight.

00:25:05,100	Uh, I can include it in additional meetings in the future or we can schedule a specific meeting for it if you wish. I, I would just ask for clarity on that.

00:25:22,170	for the future, so is everyone prepared to discuss these in detail at this point? I, I did not see that on the agenda, and since I’m kind of in the middle of something. It’s just why I’m not there would be nice to do this, um, if we could do it at our next one, I would appreciate it. OK.

00:25:36,270	Um, yeah, I think that’s probably a good idea, um, because if we can get going on the, the design and it’s not going to hold anything else up. Um, we will make it happen at the end of next meeting, and we all have homework to review these in earnest with specific ideas about what should come to the top. Um.

00:25:52,070	and we’ll pass that along to, uh, Perceley and and Hall as well. Um, and then that way we can have a more robust discussion about specifically the goals to include Awesome. And if you guys have any historic photos that you would love to see in this. Uh, Daniel will be asking for any and all of them.

00:26:10,900	at some point, uh, to beef him up, and he said if he had any areas that looked kind of plain that we didn’t have photos or a graphic or of some kind, uh, that he would earmark that and say, hey, we need something here to, to make it pretty.

00:26:26,330	Uh, we want it to be useful too, so there are going to be color coded designs for if you’re a landowner, or if you are a developer or government body, uh, so this, this document can be used specifically, like if there’s something here for you on this page. for color coding.

00:26:45,000	So I think that’s gonna be really useful, so I’m excited. Daniel’s gonna make it look wonderful. We’re all going to rave. So, um, there was, um, some question or comments about the, the front cover page. We’ve been using, um Excommercier, uh, former Comm, uh, Blake’s design on that.

00:27:04,170	Um, but if anybody has any other ideas or we’d like a tweak on that, um, think about that in the next month as well. Dokey. Um, is there any other business to attend to? No Art, hearing none, will Adjourn and the next meeting is November 19th at 3 p.m. right