00:00:09,530	Uh, the time is now 30 p.m. and today is November 19th 2025. Uh, we’re meeting in the Tom Baker Room to conduct the historic Preservation Commission meeting. Uh, Annie, please call the roll. Comm Zenker. Comm Hull Comm Perley Comm Swanson. Comm Nodland. Commissionerackerson Chair Engel, here. Thank you.

00:00:38,430	Um, I’m gonna open it up for public comment period. Do we have anyone OK, hearing none, we’ll close the public comment period. That’s easy. Uh let’s see for the items for approval um, we will look at the minutes from October 15th meeting. Were there any corrections, questions, additions? I move to approve. Second. All right.

00:01:10,970	Any discussion? No? OK go ahead and call it in uh Mr Swanso Yes Uh, Comm Nodland. Yes, Comm Zenkker, Commissioneracerson, yes. and Chair Engel, yes. Thank you Um, now we’re on the regular agenda.

00:01:42,000	Um, there is a list of the, um, section 106 items that we’ve done, but I don’t think there’s been anything recently in the last month to look at, but that, that list is updated, uh, in your packet. Uh, so we will now have Lauren go through the uh street light Uh, uh oh, OK.

00:02:09,170	Uh, thank you, uh, Chair Engel and Commissioners, as you may remember this item’s come to this commission previously, uh, specifically at your April, April meeting of this year, um, and this commission was asked for input.

00:02:30,500	Um, it was noted at that time that several factors beyond the design of the street lights would affect the potential replacement options, uh, including the cost of the street lights, availability to obtain replacements um, of both the street lights and street light parts and the ease uh for that maintaining of the street lights. Uh, Comm Nodlin did provide historic photos of those previous streetlights within the downtown area as a source of reference for the engineering department.

00:02:51,900	Um, today we do have a couple samples, uh, of potential, uh, street light options um that were sent to the engineering and public works departments for their evaluation as a courtesy of the engineering department is here to, uh, provide a, a brief update on this item as well as, uh, I, I get uh input from this commission on those samples.

00:03:10,170	Uh, with that, I will turn it over to uh, Linda Oster with the Engineering department to give a brief update. Thank you Good afternoon Um as Lauren stated, we were here before.

00:03:41,270	and gave you a brief overview, um, why we were here is because the city of Bismarck is in the process of getting rid of all our high pressure sodium and metal halide fixtures, updating them to LED. They’re more cost effective.

00:04:03,000	They provide a better light, um, in the downtown area, specifically the pedestrian lights, we have over 200 fixtures with 30 new ones scheduled to come on with an upcoming project and because of the challenges we faced, uh, and the need to replace the entire fixture. Now was the time to ask, uh, the community if we’re happy with the fixture that we have given the many challenges that we face. Um, I’m not going to read through this, but this is what I presented before.

00:04:22,630	These are the challenges we face, um, last time I had mentioned that we have a really tough time when there’s a breakage to try to reassemble a fixture, and I have a globe over there which demonstrates what our guys are trying to put together when, when the globes shatter, so the

00:04:41,370	globes have really been, uh, a struggle for us moving forward over time. Um, at the last meeting, uh, Comm Noddland did send me some pictures and and some very good articles related to um uh Downtown fixtures in the past and I can see where the previous ones came up with the globe because we had them

00:05:08,600	repeatedly throughout our past, um, primarily in this one you see, I believe, a five globe. variety, um, over on the left you see a two globe variety and then it varied um as, as we got closer or in the last century we, we got some of the other ones. um, at, at the last meeting.

00:05:35,800	um, I, I will tell you that based on that information and, and knowing that um I, I, I think we really wanna move away from the globes. There’s a lot of uplight and wasted light with that.

00:05:57,170	um they are very frustrating to deal with as they age, um, so we’re looking for some better options. Um, we, uh, did present this Plaza fixture at the last meeting. Um, this is one that is behind um Comm Zenker, um also behind Comm Zenker is the euro fixture by Strindberg.

00:06:26,630	um and we had a few others that we, we also had as well, um we received 5 total samples and our public’s works staff had a chance to look at them, pull them apart, see how easy it was to um work on them, fix them, change, um, ballluster or or filters or what whatever they needed to do and these two right here are the ones that are very high quality.

00:06:46,870	they um really provide the, the toolless entry we need, they will last us for many, many years. Um, one of these two are the ones that Public Works would like to proceed with. um and then also presenting it last week at um Downtown Design Review.

00:07:12,900	They also like these two fixtures versus the other 3 that we had. We didn’t even bring them out because we’re focused on these two here. So. um and this of course is what we had before, um, I think, uh, it was definitive at, at the last meeting and with Public Works we really do want to move away from this fixture.

00:07:37,600	um I, I’m hoping that this body would concur with that, um. but, um and with that, that’s the update I have after this, we will put together uh a project and some cost estimates and bring that forward to the commission for their approval.

00:08:02,730	Uh, a lot of these costs have been included in the CCIP for 2026. So, um, uh, once the project is is formed, we can take it to commission and ask for approval. of that after that, I believe, um, in talking with Isaac, um there would be some aspect of downtown streetscape standards that would have to be updated, um, but we would handle that as we move forward.

00:08:28,730	and it’s my recollection that the existing poles would be reused for these. It would just be the top. That would be changed out correct and the fixtures you see right there are in black.

00:08:48,100	We would go for a dark bronze fixture to stay with the overhead poles that we have and also um some trim on the, the poles themselves, the concrete poles. OK What, what does the, uh, the one on the right, uh, what’s the inside of that look like where the lamp goes and all. Is there a shady. Actually, the, the lamp is up on top. Oh, OK. OK.

00:09:06,630	So, that could be open or it could be enclosed in glass and and with uh previous discussions, um, public works and also downtown design review they would opt if we went that way they would opt to have that glass enclosed to keep birds, birds out of it That’s a perfect nest.

00:09:27,630	Well, I don’t know that they’d nest there because the light is very intense, but they will perch there during the day, and they will make a mess. so Any other questions? It would be glass. It wouldn’t be like high resin plastic or anything like that for the enclosures. Dan, did you recall it, do we have glass and plastic or uh polycarbonate option.

00:09:53,100	I can’t recall it would you’d be thinking clear or like Frosted. We have frosted or clear options for both or or for for that Linda, do you have a picture of it and it’s in the in your. blood deck. Um yeah You can see that that the main picture there, that’s a clear glass, but there’s also uh frosted glass off to.

00:10:20,330	the side, um, all the way to the right. OK I, my preference would be for this one, only because the other one looks A little art deco. Art Nouveau Art Art Nouveau Art. Or Art Nouveau deco Or Art Nouveau Or Art Nouveau deco. Yeah. Yeah. They deco. And that’s not appropriate for Bismarck. I don’t think.

00:10:47,630	Well, I mean, our DEA would have been, but not Yeah, definitely. probably didn’t. But Ar Neu ball, nah, it’s like there’s nothing here. Well, curvy elements are. Nothing here. Downtown. But the pit one’s not bad. Huh? The pith helmet one’s not so bad.

00:11:10,470	And now I can’t unseat the you Amy? Um, Comm Nodlin, um, well, I guess since it’s to move away from the globes, then the option of having any of the historic looking ones isn’t really there, so of the two I like. the pithelmon licking one. The what? well, the, the, the one on the right. The Euro fixture. OK.

00:11:28,600	um, and I guess I would, I don’t know how the difference between the clear glass or the horostic glass would affect the the brightness of the light or what it’s trying to do, but, um, I guess it would if, if you would um when you’re choosing or whatever, deciding that just.

00:11:49,500	um, see how that if it’s a is it a bright white like the lights at the depot, or is it more of a warm yellowy. It’s not a warm yellow. It, it’s comparable to, um, the LED lights throughout town. We, we typically specify a, a 4000 kelvin uh color town.

00:12:12,470	and, and, and we would do that here as well, um. if, if that frosted glass, um, um inhibits the distribution of light we’d maybe bump up the wattage so we get the light that we need.

00:12:42,900	Comm Engel, um, the they replaced the the, um, bulbs throughout the cathedral district a couple of years ago and people are still unhappy in the, a residential area with, uh, brightness of that light. It’s, it’s caused a lot of people to be really pretty disappointed that that, that what has happened um but if the Frosted glass would help ameliorate that starkness.

00:13:10,630	I mean, I, I, it’s not the same in a commercial area, obviously, and I’m not trying to say that it is, but I can see from looking at the ones that we are now suffering with. Um-hum.

00:13:33,170	In the, in the residential area if they had been, if there had been something that moderated the that brightness, um, but still didn’t disturb the fact that you need the, you need the light, so if that’s something that I can see from a comparing it in my head with the residential complaints with what positive thing um.

00:13:57,100	could be done by simply using the frosted rather than that, so I, I just tossed that out as something that, um, might make that um be swallowed with less you know I think too that we’ve, if you’re changing it from an upward focused to a downward-focused, and you’re putting a very bright light, something if someone looks up at a building, they’re going to get blinded by that.

00:14:19,530	If it’s not frosted, I think that’s probably the way to go. And that’s what we want is people to look up and enjoy our downtown, so. OK. So good comments. Do you need an actual motion on that or were you just thinking about our thoughts there. So, OK, perfect.

00:14:39,270	Then we don’t have to do anything. Thank you very much for presenting that and giving us some good options. All right, moving on, the last item of business is the historic preservation plan implementation table that’s in your packets.

00:15:03,970	Uh, at the last meeting, um, or actually two meetings ago, we discussed, um, potentially tweaking some of these objectives, time frames, the priority lists, uh, and so we can, uh, start going through that unless there’s any other business we need to knock out before we get into that. Uh, one quick note, I guess it, it would be other business but just letting everyone know um, the terms that are up for this commission for 2025.

00:15:27,870	It’s Commissionerackerson and Comm Perley, uh, Comm Pursley’s indicated that he will not be reapplying, um, just putting that out there. which is too bad because I’ve enjoyed him on the commission, so I might have to twist his arm to get him to reapply, but Comm Comm Engel, yes, uh, can we have a, do you have some

00:15:45,000	kind of idea of what is happening nationally with the historic Trust and you have no insights that we don’t already all have suspicions we all have. I, no, no insights, uh, to help alleviate any suspicions you may have. Um, I can say that uh both Comm Engel and the Mayor.

00:16:05,800	uh, for the city of Bismarck have both signed a letter in support of of a reauthorizing those funds, um, I don’t know where that’s at, and I don’t know if our uh representatives that are are state and federal level have seen that or responded to it, um, but it is out there.

00:16:23,900	doing what we can Thank you for tracking that. I know we’re all nervous about it. All right moving on to the table. Did y’all get a chance to review the table.

00:16:52,270	Uh for your guys’ reference or anyone on uh the who’s watching I do have all the table included on the PowerPoint going by goal by goal. I, if that’s the way you want to do it, but just in case, yeah. right? Do we want to go through these one by one? Just briefly, uh, goal one is to celebrate the heritage of Bismarck.

00:17:12,070	Uh, the, those objectives are to promote civic pride by highlighting Bismarck’s unique character and culture, and B, to encourage social engagement and heritage events and activities. Is there any issue with the goals and the objectives as noted. I don’t think so. I think some of this came from the other versions. So I was hoping we’d all be OK with those.

00:17:32,270	Otherwise, we’re going to be here a long time. Um so the time frames and priority lists vary quite a bit, um, for a for civic pride, um, continue instituting annual preservation awards. I believe those are coming up again, right? Pretty soon. Um, so we’re going to continue that, although there was an option to tweak the criteria.

00:17:59,500	So we may have to put that on the agenda for next meeting to narrow that down. Um, but I think that one should stay. We’re, we’re starting that and we had some pretty positive. um, experience to begin with, yes, Comm Noddly, your uncle, I have a question.

00:18:18,800	Um, I’m just curious on the ranking that you guys did, um. the things that you *** uh. can you talk about that a little like if it’s a one, a low priority, is that just like maintain. uh, kind of as it is, but 5 moves it up to a level of where we need to make some kind of active, um, it’s time sensitive. Yeah, uh.

00:18:42,700	we also try to, we’re trying to balance, um if it was, I think there’s one in here about, um, identifying the areas that are most likely to see tear-downs and losing some of that heritage that that might be a higher priority for us to address that and at least get them surveyed before those

00:19:02,170	would come down. So those kind of were our thought processes, things that were, would be nice to do, but not essential for the commission to do. We ranked lower.

00:19:21,100	Um, the time frames we were trying to just establish how long would it take to do that if we were to say, OK, we’re going to target this particular um, item Would it take 3 months or is it going to take 3 years to accomplish that.

00:19:38,730	That’s kind of where we’re going, but this was just our initial thoughts to give you something to react to, uh, for whatever, if you guys object or want to talk about anything, I’m more than willing to to think about them. So Mhm All right, um, I’ll just start. Keep reading them, and if you have any, uh, objections or or time frame or priority adjustments, just shut them out. Uh, encourage plaques for buildings and sites on the National Register of Historic Places.

00:20:05,700	um, because we don’t have a strong, like this is, this is something we want to develop now. It’s got a little bit more oomph than some of the other ones, a 2 on the threshold of 0 to 5, but, um yeah, I, I would like to see more of that as we highlight, uh, those unique buildings, uh, collaborate with community partners on, uh, oral history programs.

00:20:27,870	I, I, I think these are already being done and if we can help out with that in any way or promote them in any way we can, uh, that’s what we’re hoping for. Um, participate in and promote Bismarck’s Founders’ Day celebrations.

00:20:48,630	Um this again is already happening, um, but we would like to to have more presence at some of these, uh, events. Um. Celebrate historic preservation Month every May. Again, that’s like high priority because this is when we shine. This is our month to do. um programs and get the word out and splay his downtown, which is why we ranked it pretty high.

00:21:11,630	And I think we did a pretty good job Um, participate in and promote Bismarck Historical Society Monthly presentation programs. um they it’s a good organization and I think that would be fairly easy to do and good to highlight the the history of Bismeric.

00:21:38,870	Yes, so what do you, what were you guys thinking about participate in? Um, there are people that, um, volunteer and or are considered for prison presentations, and I know a lot of us are professionals that could potentially put together a presentation or actively, uh, we can have, uh, a table set up with our materials in the back of their

00:21:58,630	meetings. Uh, so if anybody wanted to explore what we do or, or anything like that, those are the kinds of things we were thinking about with those. And, and in respect to that, um, at most of the Bismarck Historical Society meetings.

00:22:20,530	I do take the um walking tour maps, and they, they put them out so that there are people that come in um. that haven’t picked them up because it’s a, it’s a a revolving bunch of people that they’re the regulars, but there are a lot of other people that come in, so.

00:22:40,330	So they’ve been very, very helpful about allowing us to participate that way. Yeah. OK, Comm Engel, um, I was wondering what is, what is the, what are the materials that we have to pass out besides the Bismarck timeline and some of the I mean, how much do we have? Is it enough for a a table full of things cause I’m asking.

00:22:57,370	in reference to the HomeBuilders show too, because we were talking about setting up a table for that. I just wondered, what do we have? That’s a good question. So, um, we don’t really have too many items. We do have our walking tour brochures.

00:23:15,530	Um, we do have some additional, uh, timeline booklets. We are running very low on those, um, we do have like a best practice guide that we, we do have out on our website, um, for anyone in that neighborhood, but it might be something, and I think it might be called out later on, um, for developing additional best practice guides or um doesn’t

00:23:37,700	need to be too long, but it might be, uh, how to rep uh responsibly replace your historic window or something similar to that. Um, we don’t necessarily need to reinvent the wheel, but maybe make it more Bismarck specific.

00:23:55,170	You know, John, they have, they’re all those, um, uh, I mean, I, I think that we ought to be putting out there because the, the state. doesn’t distribute, but the, um, National Register, um, Bulletins and some of those things that would be particularly specific to Winds or different things, if we could have some of those and from.

00:24:19,630	the National Trust does have guidelines, they got a lot of that. So if we we could have. Yeah, and I think that might be a worthy thing to add to the list of, of, of things that that we do have. OK. To your ankle? Um-hum Oh yeah uh Lauren, are there, uh, any um, remaining merch things from the Susca centennial.

00:24:44,170	That is a good question. I will in our department, I don’t believe we have any additional items, um, we might have some of the additional walking tours from the uh Susquecentennial, um, but I could check with admin. They might have additional items. I don’t, I’m not sure.

00:25:04,100	Like the coins or the pins or any of that they might have some additional, but I’m, I’m not too sure if we do. And then my other question was, do we have bookmarks? um we have some left, um, they have the, um, they have the thing and they can be made any

00:25:22,070	time for virtually pennies, so if, if we want to put those out, all I have to do is put in, put in request in, and then I’ll just do those. so that would be a good thing. Yeah, it’s amazing.

00:25:40,870	Um, yeah, and I realized that we are speaking right now in the um participate in and promote the Bismarck Historical Society. We’ve branched into uh the next goal as well. So on the top of the second page, um, 03 was developed, provide and maintain design guidelines and best practices for historic properties.

00:25:57,870	And I think perhaps we’re like probably going into other things as well, but I think all of that handouts, things to promote ourselves, QR code to go to the timeline, um, all those things are. just get some schwag together for these events, I think is, is probably a, a specific one we should call out. OK. Uh, createate interactive GIS story maps or other digital resources highlighting events and activities.

00:26:19,170	Lauren, do you want to kind of walk through or talk about Uh, hi, this is my big thing here, I as a part of your staff person to help with the commission, um, one of the things I’ve been doing is creating digital versions of our walking tour maps.

00:26:38,530	Not everyone’s able to get into our offices or places to grab those maps. So I think it’s a great way to expand. Um, so I, I think as we continue onward um with uh various projects. Um, this would be a great opportunity to do this.

00:26:57,700	It’s not necessarily a major priority for the commission, um, for your time, um, but I think for the staff perspective it’s a great way to highlight what you’re doing. Um, we currently have a story map going for our South Capital survey project as just an additional item for the community to get involved or learn more, so. and I’ve seen it and it looks great. Thank you.

00:27:15,270	Awesome. OK, any other things under goal one that we could consider or priority changes, time frame. changes No? OK. Moving on to goal 2 then. Preserve places that represent the city’s heritage, its historic properties, and the past endeavors of its residents.

00:27:40,100	E, Objective one is prepare and maintain a comprehensive inventory of historically significant and potentially eligible properties within the city. be encouraged good stewardship of historic places and see facilitate disaster and resilience planning for historic properties.

00:28:06,000	Recommended strategies for A include, excuse me, Maintain and conduct annual updates to a map of all site and district listed on the National Register of Historic Places Um, we’re I think, up to date right now, fairly well. Um, but that’s just basically low-level background stuff that we’re just going to do annually and keep up with it.

00:28:25,970	Um, maintain and conduct annual updates to a map showing all structures over 45 years of age, and to remind the Commission we’ve decided on 45 because at 50 years, things are eligible, but in the planning stages and in development and when there’s money involved, it usually takes about 5 years to get to the construction phase, and some could be not elral because it’s not old enough. to actually eligible and having to be considered. So it’s kind of why we added Mas took 2 years.

00:28:45,900	Exactly, yeah. So uh that’s, that’s why the 45 year mark. Um, for stewardship, uh, create and or distribute handouts of historically appropriated, appropriate renovations, alterations, tax credits, and maintenance to residents in historic neighborhoods.

00:29:11,630	This was basically Flyers’ information guides, things that we were probably gonna hand out at the home show and or some of these other events, um, for the homebuilder. So I think if we got that, kind of just FAQs sort of thing, um, so we gave it a, a priority 3 just because we were anticipating some of these events where we need handouts again.

00:29:29,100	but any issues with that Oh, and we were talking about giving them to realtors too, or just giving a pile of them. So if people are poking around homes, might not buy in that area, but they might be interested in those areas, so I don’t know. Catching out who we can OK.

00:29:46,500	Uh, Monitor for development patterns that may impact historic and cultural resources within an adjacent to the city. Uh, these are the kind of neighborhood area watches like that might have a specific, um, district appeal at some point. Oh, historic farmsteads, yep.

00:30:23,230	Yeah, especially as the city considers it’s greater external um, footprint Uh, develop pro provide and maintain design guidelines and best practices, but we kind of talked a little bit about those best practice guidelines. Um, for seed to facilitate, to disaster and resilience planning. Um, identify those historic areas at risk and prioritize proactive mitigation and resilience measures for those most at risk.

00:30:45,630	We had discussed the, the flooding in historic Bismarck, um, ruining floors, and if there’s ways to identify the properties most at risk for those sorts of disasters, um, and or provide, um, information and recording of those structures before disaster hits.

00:31:06,070	That also helps, especially if you’re seeking federal funding to alleviate that, if you know what resources you have, it’s much easier to apply for those funds and tell them why it’s critical that we get that funding.

00:31:23,070	Yes, at the home show thing, it might be a good idea in this light to I know through the National Trust they’ve got quite a lot of information because they’re trying to get ahead of all the disasters and there are um there are. things that are available, um items that can help um uh prevent water from getting in, you know, the, the um the sandbags that aren’t sandbags that in that inflate, but they can be removed and they desiccate again and Prevention if, if we provided,

00:31:50,700	if we put together some of that information that’s available, that might be useful to provide during that home show thing because that is something that actually is hitting everybody here and so if they knew what materials were available, that might be for a useful thing as well as programs but just the materials

00:32:11,170	they could provide, they could have on hand. Great. Thank you. Yeah, I, I think we need to go through what, what is available from the trust and, and wherever else and uh make that part if we’re gonna do this, more participating in these things, we better have an inventory to be able to show

00:32:29,270	them, and I think the hands-on kinds of things like window repairs and water damage. all those kinds of issues are taken under consideration in many of them, you know, the inventory of available resources. That’s a good, good idea. Cheer cheer, wrong, wrong chair. Comm I.

00:32:56,330	Um, this is our 3rd item that deals with the distributing or engaging residents in the historic neighborhoods. Do we have a grip on, uh, do we have a resource or a way to reach our historic neighborhood. homeowners and is that, is there such a way that.

00:33:22,000	right now uh, by reaching them, are you like meaning go door to door and like, or we’re distributing information and, and reaching out and engaging them and we’ve got 3 things now that are targeted at the residents of the historic neighborhoods.

00:33:37,530	How, I mean, I guess that’s my question to us is, is that something that we need to develop as a mechanism or is is that the city already have that and you just can do a search and spit out a list or good question and we’ll get back to you on that unless aller Zenker, go for it.

00:33:55,370	Well, if I could just, I’ll just throw an idea out there, um, since you referenced the 45 year for for a structure, um, it might be as simple as just having, you know, if we’re, we’re, we seem to be talking about the home show type things, and we just have a placard with a QR code, they can snap that and, and register it just as simple, right? Um, easy, build a database, so to speak.

00:34:12,330	Again, it’s just an idea and that’s something we have to do, but because Lauren would have to do it, um, so so I just, I just throw that out there, right? If you, if you want to grab, cause we’re just not going to mass mail some something out to homes that are 45 years or older, right? We’re not gonna, we’re

00:34:28,170	not gonna do that, it’s not practical. Um. So, you want to engage people who want to be engaged, and I think that would be in a pretty simple solution to do. Do, do we know, can you, do we have the data set that we could figure out how many of homes are are 45 years and older.

00:34:44,900	Can you get a number for us of just how many we’re talking about in Bismarck. Just curious just the number, right? Yeah, just the number. I can do that, yes.

00:35:09,970	Um, yes, Comm Engel, um, when we get our utility bill oftentimes it has information on there about leaf pickup or whatever, would that be, is there a possibility for there to be a paragraph in there that says, you would actually have to get that some, most homeowners probably just pay that online and don’t even read the bill.

00:35:27,970	So I just, I mean, I, I throw that out there for conversation piece because I mean, I’ve been in my house for 20 years and I can think of 3 times that I. actually had to read that, and that was twice when I got yelled at by my wife. So. Yeah, I look at it all the time, so there’s there’s not a lot there.

00:35:43,530	You could put the QR code or the information on what on the website too, right? where you have to play it online. OK, so identifying ways to reach our community. It probably needing to be on the list somewhere. Engaged, yes. Mhm if there’s 5000 of them, or are there? 40,000 rates, and Lawrence can come. OK, thank you. That’s good. There we, not more than 23 000 Whooh, OK.

00:36:23,000	Um, incorporate preservation goals in a community disaster plans like the Multi-hazard mitigation plan for the city. Do you want to talk to them? Thank you. So, I, I’m Gary Stockert with the City of Bismarck updates our multi-hazard mitigation plan.

00:36:46,100	Um, there is a section kind of providing information on Bismarck’s history. Um, so perhaps there’s a way, uh, once we get further into our surveying our inventory of historic properties. Perhaps there is a way to call something out within there just moving beyond, uh, the planning department but working at a citywide level. Um to provide that, uh that area of, of recognition for that, so. Thank you.

00:37:10,500	I think that might be a good idea too that while we were generally thinking about the built environment. There is also extant archaeology buried that if we’re in disaster areas and, and things happen that we should recognize that as well. That might be just because I’m an archaeologist, but yeah, that’s.

00:37:38,270	Um, all right. Yeah, there’s lots of us here. OK. Anything else for uh Gal too before we move on to goal 3? No? OK. Um, goal 3 is encourage historic preservation as part of the city’s economic planning and development. Uh, this is more like promotion.

00:37:57,170	Yay, we’re cool and you should live here and spend money here. So that’s what we wanna do. Um, that’s my interpretation of that goal. Um, objective A, identify and promote funding for historic preservation projects or initiatives. develop materials, programs, or areas that help bolster Bismarck’s historic heritage tourism. promote the rehabilitation and preservation of historic structures as a benefit of economic growth.

00:38:22,530	Uh, in those objectives, we have maintained and update a list of local, state, and federal funding sources on the city’s historic preservation website. and this is, um, in the plan, and we have that, um, outlined, so that will be available, um, when that plan gets published.

00:38:44,530	Uh, explore additional local funding avenues to help fund programs related to historic preservation. Um, there are potential partners. I didn’t call that out, uh, yet, but we have identified potentially some, some partners, um, and then we have an area for funding opportunities as well, uh, that we can maybe fill out, uh, in the future as we identify them.

00:39:06,270	Uh because the economy being as it is and everyone needing money to do these things, uh, we’ve, we’ve ranked it as a priority for. Um, I think um, we could probably get that list pulled together and available to people, um. fairly quickly, hopefully, I don’t know. whether there’s money there or not, yeah, um.

00:39:28,170	OK, so under B, uh, are there 0.1 is develop historic walking maps and tours, which we have done, but we need to continue to do and or tweak them and update them as, as we go along.

00:39:43,800	Um, but I, I think there’s been a lot of positive feedback on the, the tours that we’ve gotten already, so that’s good. that with us if you have any good examples of comments just in the future. In February. Yeah, I’d have to think about them cause most of it’s off the cut. Oh, these are cool.

00:40:02,370	But even that is, is nice and there people have been picking them up in the places that we’ve been putting them so that right there, them disappearing is a good sign. So yeah, but if we get any formal feedback, uh, we will share that with the Commission. Um, provide historic district markers, street science, interpretive signage, and or wayfinding elements.

00:40:26,000	doing these things, we’re continuing to work them into any plans that we have for the districts. Uh, so I think we’re fairly well on top of this, but it is important, so it got a high rank. Um, create brochures in digital media for historic districts, buildings, people, and events. Yeah, the whole thing. Yeah, that’s pretty much is all encompassing.

00:40:49,370	Um determine the feasibility of creating a Bismarck specific exhibit in a publicly accessible location. Yes, so I’ll throw this out there, um, some of you may know, some of you may not, but, uh, the city of Bismarck was fortunate enough to buy back a the original fire truck for the city of Bismarck, and it’ll be 100 years old next

00:41:08,700	year. So I would say that um somehow, someway, Lauren, Daniel and your team or whatever. When we find that location to, to put that, that we should encompass that along with that, right? Because it’s a very historic piece of equipment. purchased by the city of Bismarck 99 years ago.

00:41:28,470	Um, so there should be some some Tie tie in or continuing education pieces or whatever we could do. I mean, obviously it’s gonna be a highlight for schools to bring students to and those types of things, um, and once it’s up and running, it’s gonna just go to station 2 and they’re gonna put glass on

00:41:46,000	it right, but they’re just going to be a much more permanent scenario for that. So I would just keep that on the radar as well. That’s great.

00:42:00,600	Um, I, I really like that sort of thing because it ties in a lot of it ties in Bismarck, it ties in that we care about the community and make sure that the fires are put out, but it’s also a water management system discussion that you can have with the kids on, OK, the fire truck’s there, but where did they get the water, you know, and how quickly they can. So that’s, that’s really great. Yes, um.

00:42:16,370	was there, uh, I guess we should ask Comm Stackerson too. Was there recently a presentation at the Bismarck Historical Society about Bismarck Fire Department. I believe there was Yes, there was.

00:42:39,870	I think it was not this month, but October, I believe they had a, uh, the fire department did a really spectacular um program on the history and had they actually interestingly enough, I think they have a lot of photographs that we have not seen. of various fires in the history of Bismarck, and I we really need to, to, um, find out how those are archived in. taken care of and. It’s not my portfolio. Quit looking at me.

00:43:01,270	No, I was thinking, well, if there was that truck is going to be in a permanent location. We could do you know who did it? Could we ask that person to help or to think about this. I mean, I, he would be the one. Yeah. To ask.

00:43:18,330	I can find that out, but it was really, really interesting, and the, the photographs that of some of the fires historic fires say, whoa, I never saw that one, you know, and so there are photographs that that we’ve been looking at the same five pictures of. forever and the fire departments actually sitting on more of them, which obviously they would.

00:43:37,600	You know, it’s just like, but we didn’t ask. So. It’s interesting. So, yes, we can find that. So I have a, a process question then for for making that do is there a time frame when you know when the city will receive that and be be interested in doing some

00:43:56,900	something. So, uh, uh, you’re talking about the fire engine and all that. Yeah, so we, it has been purchased, it is at Public Works right now. OK.

00:44:11,530	They’re going through it as of 3 years ago, it, it ran and functioned and um they hauled it to the site, so they just want to go through things and clean it up and ironically for a piece of equipment that’s 99 years old, it’s in very good condition. OK. So. Where, where did they Find it, if I might ask? Yeah Uh, so, uh, the Becks had it. Oh.

00:44:30,370	Yeah, they bought it in ’86 when we didn’t have storage or time or whatever, so we’re fortunate enough to stumble across a Jason seems to be a magnet for that kind of thing.

00:44:48,070	So, my process question is, how can we, do we take it on as a project on behalf of the fire department? Do we talk to them? Do we have a subcommittee? How do we make this something happen in time so that when they’re ready when the city’s ready to go with stuff, how do we, how do we help or, you know, I think the most critical piece is going to be the communication amongst the departments.

00:45:04,730	Um Yeah, and then, and then admin, I mean, really, I would, I’d lay the burden on admin to make sure it gets done and because Laurn’s got enough on her plate. So OK. So, I think if, if we do that, if we, if we talk to, uh, Jason and Doug, they’ll put it on the highlight. They’ll, it’ll get done. OK.

00:45:21,800	So, we just got to be able to communicate that Parks already, or, um, the fire department’s already kind of has so much information together on it that it shouldn’t be, and they would be more than happy to share that and, and kind of build their history, right? So it’s not, we don’t have it a task item right now. I think weist if necessary.

00:45:38,730	We can help if, yeah. I think it would, the horse, historic Preservation Committee would be right in your wheelhouse, right? OK. So that’s why I’m wondering what can we do to help wait for Jason? I’d tell, I’d, uh, respectfully ask Laurn to send an email to Mr.

00:45:56,330	Tomoni and say, hey, we’re in, just ask us what we need to do. Great, thank you. How’d that go for you? Pass it off to Jason. All right, um, point C under goal 3, the, uh, objectives encourage adaptive reuse as an option for affordable housing while still protecting life and safety through application of the existing building code.

00:46:22,530	Um, this is really essentially trying to get to the repurpose buildings that are historic, don’t tear them down, um, unnecessarily, so, and I don’t know how we can, um, help promote that provide examples examples, um, we were talking about talking to the Renaissance zone people about success stories and highlighting those whenever we

00:46:45,100	can, and those could be put on our, on the website as well as as uh community resource and whatever. with links back to the plan where it’s like these are the funding opportunities and the historically appropriate stuff. Um where as, as needed as can be possible, uh, yes. Um I have one that’s cut off.

00:47:13,800	I can’t really read the, the next one. it’s on the screen, uh, here, so it’s identify and provide information on appropriate adaptive treatments such as accessibility or aging in place. OK That’s kind of like along the same lines. Yeah, OK, so it must be. OK. All right, that’s goal 3.

00:47:40,530	Anything else to talk about? OK, go for it. Advocate for historic preservation to other public entities. This is the partnerships with other departments and the highlighting, um, how important preservation is, uh, objective, Coordinate historic preservation efforts and regulations among city documents and departments.

00:48:06,230	Um, enhance existing or develop additional preservation programs and develop and maintain the capacity and excellence of the historic Preservation Commission. Uh, the recommended strategies include provide yearly updates to city commission about the historic Preservation Commission’s previous year’s activities and newer updated local, state, and federal policy and statute changes.

00:48:29,070	Um, I think we’re on a, a good path with having those section 106 reviews embedded in our, our normal agendas, but it’s just anything we can highlight that we’re we’re doing to help out and, and achieve our goals, that would be good. Um and of course, that’s high priority. So they know that we. are doing good things.

00:48:49,970	Yes, as, as you get more information as a professional on the changes to um 106 fun and different fundings and things like that, it would be a good idea to report that through this. for sure, um, form because again, people actually listen to it and so it could get some of that change. um, understood and out there for people as well, for sure.

00:49:11,100	yeah, I, I was cheered to see that the the, uh, hearing discussion about Section 106. Everyone agreed that yes, there’s, there’s changes that need to happen, streamlining and consistent needs to happen, but the process works and it should remain. And so I’m taking heart that that’s going to continue. Yes, and maybe it’s technic sinker this.

00:49:42,230	does the Commission as a whole get reports from annual reports from its bod, from its subsidiary bodies. Like does anybody does Lauren or do you give a presentation to the commission or would that help? Um, yeah, I mean, annually, you should.

00:50:06,170	in my opinion, it should, everybody should do something, right? Whether it’s forestry or Renaissance zone or whatever there should, there should always be some type of formal communication, at least once a year as to how they do it. I mean, it’s, you can either have the portfolio holder do it. In this case it would be me or you could have whoever from staff is, you know, would do that.

00:50:22,730	We never, has this body ever done that? Uh, so in my time here, no, uh, however, I have heard that there was previous department updates yearly if I’m not mistaken, that, that’s what I’ve been told by Daniel. I’m not sure if like.

00:50:39,000	Yeah, there were a few, uh, couple years ago we did a portfolio updates from all the commissioners had to do it 4 times a year and you would get some of it then, um those are not needed anymore. Uh, so, so that type of thing doesn’t happen, um I mean just to get on the agenda to do something wouldn’t be. too big a deal.

00:50:57,470	I wouldn’t try to do it yet anymore this year because we only got one meeting in December, so that’s gonna be pretty full, and we got one left in November, so I mean. either one of the ones in January would be fine to say, hey, here’s what, 2026 looks like.

00:51:15,730	And those are really, um, meant to be like 3 to 5 minute presentations, not 2 or 40 slides, you know, type thing is just hey, here’s what we got, this is what we’re talking about. So yeah, great, we’ll put that on, make that happen. Thank you would that be? I’ll do it, yeah. unless someone else wants to volunteer.

00:51:38,000	I’m not going to No, I would preferably if it would come from staff or or the chair that would be fantastic. I mean, but there’s so many things like, I mean, I’ll use the Renaissance zone, for example, I’ve been on that ever since 2018.

00:51:54,630	We always have topics that come up at the Commission meetings, meetings, so people kind of know what’s going on and then obviously the one-year hiatus, you know, that took up some time too, so, um, you know, it’s really important in, in my opinion that that everybody knows what’s going on and, and we, they’re decorta media Acc access does a fantastic job for the city of Bismarck because he’s, you can stream these at 2 in the morning or 30 in the afternoon

00:52:10,870	type thing. For sure. Yep. OK, great. Uh, I, I will mention Daniel has been looking into doing some sort of update in 2026 for our whole department, which would include the HPC and other boards, so, OK, great. Sounds good. Thank you.

00:52:38,070	Uh, let’s see, assess and coordinate with local repositories, primarily libraries to increase awareness of historical resources such as books, videos or websites. Um, just using our, our platform to help promote some of those resources again. Um. As assistant provide feedback on pertinent C of Bismarck plans, studies, guidelines, and ordinance changes.

00:52:58,630	Uh, this is mostly staff, uh, that would be kind of watching out for those things, correct? Uh, for the most part, correct. However, uh, this commission has been brought in for those initial discussions for the Lane Development Code that’s ongoing with the city, so it would be along the same lines for that. OK, great. Thank you. Um, under objective B, uh, the recommended strategy is consider creating a local landmark designation program.

00:53:21,600	Again, those highlighted, um, bits and pieces to get people, uh, walking around and actively looking at the community resources. Um update the historic preservation plan every 10 years.

00:53:41,870	We figured we were self-serving by putting it in the plan itself to do this every 10 years, but we figured 10 years, um, would be a good target because it is a heavy lift and we’re hoping that it at least 10 years will be lasting. Um, participate in ongoing training opportunities, including heritage and preservation conferences.

00:54:02,730	Um, I know the funding is questionable at this point, but, um, any of those that we can attend, even remotely, I think, um, provide us an example of what the greater world is doing and that we can steal ideas and not invent, reinvent the wheel for ourselves. Um, and they’re really good, um, very, very creative ideas. And this may be more important going forward as as um funding things are a little different than they have been.

00:54:22,000	Uh, create a quarterly newsletter with information on commission projects and current historic preservation resources. Um and if there’s any takers on who would want to do that. Feel free to, uh, speak up. Yeah, Comm Perily, I think that’s the one that we actually had in mind.

00:54:44,900	So that’s why he needs to run again, and we need to harass him. Um, I’m gonna actually write down his name, Scooter. OK, um anything else for a goal for? OK. Uh, goal 5, educate the public about Bismarck’s heritage and the benefits of historic preservation. Uh, objective, educate young community members about Bismarck’s history.

00:55:08,530	I know the older staff and the older, uh, community members know and remember things and have heard these stories. A lot of the younger generation doesn’t have that connection, uh, to the past and we should start promoting, uh, some of that. Um, identify and provide historic preservation training opportunities for the public, just in general.

00:55:30,870	Um the recommended strategies are to develop and provide educational resources, lectures, online lesson plans, and curricula to area schools. Um, I think that’s pretty straightforward. I think we developed the, uh, traveling trunk sort of, uh, san kit, whatever, um. we’re working on it. OK. It’s along those lines, um. encouraged schools to integrate more Bismarck-specific history into the social studies curriculum.

00:55:56,630	um as a mother of 1/6 grader, I’m now getting emails about, hey, we’re going to start studying Egypt. They could probably be like, hey, we’re going to actually study North Dakota history or Bismarck history. So we’ll get on that and get that worked into the curriculum. Um partner with local contractors and workforce training centers to encourage integration of historic rehabilitation.

00:56:16,730	something that I can’t read, sorry. Training. Training. There we go. Uh, again, I think this was the, what we were talking about for the preservation Fair that is now going to be a uh home show kind of connection of, of things and trying to talk to the people that do historic preservation work in that realm.

00:56:39,730	Um, we, we were also talking about um I don’t, maybe it’s just something I should do personally, probably, but to get the uh academy and Career Academy involved in some of that stuff too. Um.

00:57:00,470	and local contractors, I don’t know how we partner with them particularly doing what we do, but I would certainly think design people would be interesting. to hear from about how the preservation program works and how what their experiences have been and all that, just for our, our sake. In information. You know. Um-hum. Yeah. Absolutely. Thank you.

00:57:21,500	Um, yeah, and the last point, there was Create and sponsor a history preservation fair, which we’ve kind of altered now, um, but in the future we might want to do it. Mhm. Your Angel, I was gonna say I, I, it’s a number 5 priority, and I think the way that it was introduced to us at last time or two times ago.

00:57:38,630	I think it’s a pretty interesting concept, and I, I really like and think this, this of doing the trade show because there’s other trades that we would, it would fit in as well, um, that happen other trade shows, so the developing the booth and the materials.

00:57:56,700	It’s a great idea, but I don’t think we should leave the trade, the historic fair away. I mean, maybe for next year, yes, but, but then it seems to me like that’s the, the bigger idea bringing in all of the different. um fields that social studies, the design, the architecture, the history, the preservation.

00:58:16,370	I mean, I think and the, and the social groups, you know, the sons of Norway and, and, and the groups that that I think that I don’t think we should lose the historic preservation Fair idea.

00:58:35,270	I think it’s OK for next year or for the trade, the HomeBuilder’s Fair, but I guess that was, that was the one that I kind of felt like, yeah, it’s a, that one I did. I guess I’m suggesting that we keep on or move towards the next year for sure.

00:58:57,630	And if we can figure out from the HomeBuilders show, um if we get a lot of generating of people that are interested in it, and they really care about it, then we can start networking with individuals in the business to try and pull that together for next year, 2027, or, um, and points on, but yeah, that’s good, great.

00:59:16,630	Um, yes, I’ll throw this out there just for the educational, you can get potential partners, but I wouldn’t, I wouldn’t, uh, forget about the late of Chrisist system or Shiloh even with some of that stuff because every educator is always looking for something new to, to do within their classroom.

00:59:35,330	For sure Cherile too, the, uh, when we distributed our timeline of Bismarck that they to all of the systems they went to all of them and they were all interested and I know you have been working trying to get curriculum into the schools for a long time, and I think that there are teacher groups like socialite teachers and history teachers who are already connected and working on stuff, so there’s, there’s natural places for us to connect to get

00:59:50,430	those into, so we’re not, you’re not knocking on the door for the first time just with the information. it’s new. No, and those, those san kits that were the education kit that we’re those that we’re building, those are available to to any educator.

01:00:12,330	you know, it doesn’t matter whether it’s a religious institution or private institution or a public one. or are homeschools registered in the city? That’s a state thing, OK. Um, and if there are people that feel strongly about any one of these goals that want to be champions of that goal for the commission. Feel free to jump on that.

01:00:34,470	Put that out there. Uh, goal six Engage community members in historic preservation processes. Uh, the objective is to identify ideas about historic preservation from the public through a variety of methods and techniques and ensure a robust and inclusive engagement process. Uh, we’ve been actively seeking feedback on lots of different things.

01:00:59,630	Um, recommended strategies, uh, use a quick response QR code to direct people to the historic Preservation Commission’s website when participating in events or when sponsoring a historic preservation booth or table.

01:01:18,870	It’s right along what, uh, Comm Zenker was asking, uh, thinking about, um utilize art as an engagement method to foster dialogue and understanding of Bismarck’s historic and historic pres history and has historic preservation. I’ve said historic preservation way too many times in the last hour. OK Um, and we, there are, uh, definitely, um, entities for uh the, the art, um, groups in town on the, that we can easily probably partner with.

01:01:45,070	and develop a public participation framework to utilize for, for large projects like NRHP nominations. Oh, do you like that feedback? And I think that’s probably a really good idea too. And we get random people that have the historic knowledge that isn’t written down anywhere else in the public forum coming up with stories, which is awesome.

01:02:06,900	Yeah, Lauren, uh, just to kind of provide a little bit more clarity on that specific one. So partici uh public participation framework, um, so with our South Capital survey project, um, uh, with our consultant we kind of came up with the idea for that story map, um, and they had an idea to have a

01:02:25,530	uh, Emily had an idea for a a survey questionnaire for the property owner, but perhaps there’s a template that we can use for any of our projects, um, so say it, uh, we do a NRHP project we have so, so and so that we need to absolutely do, but maybe there’s another route

01:02:48,730	that we could also do, um, we also sent out postcards for the South Capital Survey project to the area that would be surveyed. Uh, it’s just providing, uh, clarity to both this commission as well as the public on what to expect with those projects.

01:03:05,970	Great, thank you Chair Ael, yes, I think I can’t remember what it was, but we, we had some mechanisms during the Highland Acres nomination, public meetings, and letters, I believe, right? Letters went to each homeowner in in those districts, so. that should be in that framework too, right? Yeah, and there were presentations at the, the schools inside of Highland Acres.

01:03:32,870	Um utilize digital and in-person options as a way for individuals to engage with historic preservation events, policies and projects. Um, we understand that we have a range of, of people in ages and digital technology versus like handouts versus in-person meetings and stuff, and everybody communicates differently, especially on a generational basis.

01:03:55,000	Uh, we just wanted to hit as many of those as possible, so we’re not excluding any particular age group, um, based just on how we deliver the messages. angel. I, I’m gonna ask Lauren a question of, do you, do you have any kind of statistics or data for us about our, our web, the historic preservation Commission’s website or the

01:04:18,800	timeline of who’s, how how often it’s been accessed. uh, I don’t know off the top of my head I can look into it and see if I can find anything. Great And the last one, encouraged input from local underrepresented groups about additional information that should be included in resources and projects related to Bismarck’s history.

01:04:42,800	Um I, I just, uh, it’s kind of a glaring omission that there’s not anything about the Native American culture. being referenced in our historic preservation stuff, and I think that’s a, uh, obviously an important ingredient up here for sure, um, in the timeline, we cover, um, before the built environment came, but you’re right, the,

01:05:06,370	the specific, um, tribal groups, yeah, and there’s all, there’s also a continuing presence within the community that has gone on for 100 years now and needs to can be addressed as we, as we go further on things.

01:05:26,230	I think we’ve mentioned that we want to partner with local groups, and we have partnered with United Tribes and with other groups and, and so I, I don’t, I mean, I don’t think that it’s not there, it’s just not pulled out and identified individually.

01:05:47,470	There’s also, um, I, I think it was the historical Society, um, did a tour on the United Tribes campus about the different versions of those buildings being used over its lifetime, um. incorporated things like that too, but, you know, when we talk about, um story trails and things like that. um it doesn’t have to be. a child from some little red haired white kid in 1956. It’s a character in the story.

01:06:14,230	Those, those things that we generate in, in those sorts of things will have um different components so that we are representing the, the populations that actually, actually are here.

01:06:39,230	It’s a, it’s a huge part of our history, and there are a lot of different cultures, not just the Native Americans, but we do have to make sure that we are um calling those that. uh contribution to both the built environment and to the history of the area. into things, um, I think that’s, that’s pretty important, um. but is that something we should have on our agenda for, or I think it’s buried in it.

01:07:01,900	Yeah, well, I I know that’s, it is buried in it, but should it be buried in it? Should it? I have 222 requests that are kind of specific in this regard. One is, could we, uh, reach out to the people at United Tribes who did the courtyard with for the recognizes the internment center and have them come and talk to us about that.

01:07:22,900	That’s a, that was a huge event. that, uh, historical event that happened and and I don’t know that we had any involvement or input or or helped in any way, but that would be interesting to hear.

01:07:40,170	And my second one is, uh, according to this goal, which is a number 4, we did get a request, and I know I brought it. a year or two ago from the local immigrant community that we helped them. discover and write the history of immigrants to North Dakota.

01:08:08,370	I don’t mean refugees, I mean immigrants, but refugees included, but, but there there has been a request that we help them and that that there’s a strong history um here from Chinese to Greek to African to um South America there’s a, there’s a strong immigrant history in Bismarck that isn’t known. So I think we will, I think that number 4 priority, um, has a lot of potential for us. and to bring in the community Absolutely thank you for all that, uh, feedback. That’s great.

01:08:37,700	Any other thoughts, questions, concerns? Oh. OK. Uh, we’ll tweak those and, uh, you. get it done. Hopefully Daniel is working on the photos and inserting everything in.

01:09:00,100	So, hope I don’t know, I don’t want to speak when he’s going to have that done, um, cause there’s lots going on right now, but soon, it’s getting there. So then what? What’s the next steps? Uh, next step is for this commission to review the entire thing And then once we approve it, I’ll go to the city for approval, and then we can publish Yes, um, since we just, the commission just approved the draft for the new

01:09:22,000	strategic plan. Laura might be beneficial for you and Daniel to go through and see how this falls into that. Uh, thank you, Comm Z Zenker, Chair, Comm, I will do that. I think, uh, our department went through some of those things, so, uh, we’ll just need to make sure it aligns with the current draft.

01:09:40,700	um, one quick question, uh, related or not questioned, but comment related to this implementation table, um, this implementation table will have it specifically as an appendix. The actual portion that you’ll see within the plan when it’s called out is having um those objectives.

01:10:03,800	uh, in the strategies called out specifically and we’ll hopefully have some different photos to include with each of those items, um, just to make it a little bit easier, more friendly for anyone in the public to review, um, this table here is mainly, uh, for that planning purpose to make sure we have everything called out how it should be.

01:10:19,100	And in the plan, we are, um, getting, uh, little symbols, little icons that represent our for homeowners or contractors or city officials, um, that are very clear and that are going to be color coded and, and clearly identified so that whoever’s using the plan knows, um, that this might be interesting to them, depending on what hat

01:10:40,870	they’re wearing. So, hopefully, it’s useful to the community, so looking forward to it. It’s been all the hard work on it. Back at you since you guys started this whole thing and we’re just trying to bring it across the finish line. before the 10 years is up and we have to start it again.

01:10:56,730	I’m just kidding. OK. All right. I think in that case, uh, we will Adjourn at 4:10. Um, and the next meeting is December 17th. uh, right here. So we’ll see