You know the Bismarck Burley commissions committee to order if we call roll please. Administrator Toonic here Auditor Spokowski, here Mayor Schmitz, here, Commissioner Bakin here. First item is approval of the minutes and I mean I generally know what occurred, but I've moved to approve. Second Any discussion Hearing none, uh, all in favor oppose same sign carries. OK, so we can go to looks like Rene is here, so we might as well start with. The Bismarck Burley Public Health 2026 budget discussions and. I guess from our perspective from the city. Guys had any preliminary discussions at the county what the ratio would look like on funding? Did you get that set on the agenda or not, Wayne? Right. Finance finance director to get those numbers, yeah, because we didn't get those yet, so. I got it. Great, better late than never. do you wanna run through those numbers now and I'm sorry to hijack. Uh, do you wanna, do you wanna run through those numbers now and then we can get that on our next agenda? OK. Yep, yep. So this is what I had asked, sorry, let me get to the mic. Wayne Munson Burley County Commission, uh, what I had asked uh Dimitri to do was set up, um, ratios of 75/25 split where we were last year, um, 60/40 and 50/50 just so we had all three numbers to look at. Um, so the Burley County or the Burley County Public Burley Bismarck Burley Public Health is looking at a total tax levy of 2,401,240. So if we split the exact same way we did last year at 7525, it'd be 60,000,310, which is less than what our dollars were this year. Uh, if we go 6040, it was 96496, and at 50/50, it's $1,200,000. Uh, 620. So this is what I was waiting for to present to Bernie County. Appreciate it, um, yeah, I, I. Won't speak for the rest of the commission on that, so I'll, uh, wait until that comes on our agenda. Um, do you wanna make sure that gets on the next agenda? Thank you. So the I guess the desire to make an incremental step towards more. I gotta wait for the entire commission on that so because I don't know where everybody's at. I know where Wayne's at and I know where I'm at, but I don't know where the rest of the commissioners are at. So, um, that'll be a discussion in 2 weeks I guess for us. Because we're all heading into that season. Well, that's why we started doing budgets earlier, right, Dmitri? March. yeah, that doesn't work well for the state, so no. OK, well then I guess we'll just wait and hear what you ultimately. Have thoughts on and. We'll have to start planning one way or the other. And also knowing that there are probably some grants that have gone away, or at least temporarily gone away federal style. Do you want to, yeah, go ahead. So just for your awareness, um, we are kind of in limbo land when it comes to our federal funding um we've been told by the state health department to plan for level funding for the most part and as they find out more then we will find out more, um, and so a lot of our, our grants that we do have our direct expense grants, so whatever goes out comes in, and those grants have been in place for quite some time. Um, and so when we put together our budget for 2026, um, we had a meeting with, with city finance, um, to talk through the best way to do this just because it's so difficult for planning for us right now, um, and we're planning pretty much level funding as far as, um, federal funds go, um, so we'll kind of see where it goes from there, um, the, the projected numbers that. We were asked to put together are looking at what we anticipate based on what we know today so if something were to change if we were to get uh notification from the federal level to say that you know this funding stopped yesterday we had a couple of grants like that that happened to us, um. We can't predict that of course and so can't really plan for that so we're planning based on what we know today and going from there, um, the, uh, splits that um we were asked to do, I think Commissioner Munson had brought up that, um, he wanted a couple of different options to look at the 50/50 split, the 60/40, and then the 75/25. Um, and if you do look at this, the increase from 25 to 26, it's about a 3% increase from 25 to 26% if you guys stay at the 25% cost share that you had approved last year. So that's the budget, the dollar amount that we would be looking at. How much of that grant funding is, uh, staffing versus programming, um, that you're kind of waiting on the federal level? Was there some. Staff funding that was going to go away because of loss of grants or I remember COVID we picked up some staffing because of some grants. So what's the breakout on that? So the staffing for COVID funding, um, we had 1.5, I think a nurse and then a part-time positions are gone, um, and they have not been refilled, um. We have some consistent grant funding that um has been in place for years and substance abuse prevention, tobacco prevention um we have our Ryan White program and a Women's Way program we did get word from the Women's Way program that we will have our contract at level funding for the next year, so we are for sure on on that one and that one is, uh, two staff people, um, that we have there, uh, we have emergency preparedness individuals, um. And we're kind of, we've been told up to this point to plan for level funding for that, uh, but there are two people that work for emergency preparedness and response. And so, um, I don't know if that answers your question, but for now, staffing right now is is level. It's not just programming, correct. Thank you. And, and you said 3% increase is what you've budgeted, that's the. The tax component. The general, uh, called general fund component, uh the, the tax levy piece is up 3% year over year. Um, so if you look at what we took from our projected expenses for 2026 and the projected revenue that we have coming in, um, this includes all of our expenses, grants and everything, and what's left after that is the 2 million that Commissioner Munson had mentioned 2.4 million. And then if you stayed at the 25%, it would be 60,000,310 and that is um a 3% increase from last year. The last year's contract was 582, 502. That that answered my question. I just, how much the total dollars are going up, yeah. Well, so for next, our next com county commission meeting, um, can you present at that as well as part of our discussion with that because I, I think these are valuable numbers and the full breakout, um, and then. Can you get some information for the packet too, please, just to make a couple commissioners happy. Yeah, yeah, and just for your awareness, I mean, budgeting has been super for public health because um well, I understand that, but just for planning for a long term, I'm just, I'm trying to plan long term based on stuff we don't know tomorrow and um I know that's across several programs, but that's what the question was for the staffing versus programming on some of the grant funding you're waiting to find out on that. Big differences, so yeah, for sure. Awesome. Thank you. Thanks Renee. Thanks. OK. City county building probably relates to Provident building as well Did you catch him up, Wayne, on the, no, OK, oh, OK, so, um. Our lead times for the bids came out about, uh, you know, 2 years, so we're. Kind of planning on keeping everything in place as it is right now for the next two years through 26 into 27, 2, yeah. So To you, OK, I'm not sure if I asked the question right, so 27, that's kind of what we're planning on because by the time yeah, we get everything moved over in there we're dealing with some stuff. I saw the bids and I figured what I heard, but I just they all got out and we were working on some contingencies that we're gonna truncate the timetable a little bit, but, uh, logistically it just didn't work so we're gonna be a full 2 years in the build. From everything we've been told by our contractors. And does that, so that would mean IT related to this building still for yes, yes, everything remains the same for the next two years is what we're kind of planning on. Um, I don't know if you've had discussions at your budget table with the, or maybe that's Dimitri coming up as far as, uh, cost per square footage, um, you know, between City county building and this building. I, I'm fine with the numbers staying the same inclined to just leave the rates everything the same, yeah, at least on the, on the building side IT because you don't know. Go ahead Demetri. and now Dimitri is gonna speak. Yeah, he'll tell us differently. he's gonna shoot down everything we just talked about, uh, uh, commissioners, um, committee members, um, I want to make sure you guys are aware. So IT has informed me that we have to, we have a starting next year we'll be replacing switches again, which is we just did that like I think 4 years ago or 5 years ago. And so that will because if you continue to stay on the first floor that might be a charge that we might have to attack on to the IT agreement if you were to stay through 27. I was talking to IT and saying well if they don't, if the Burley County doesn't stay for much longer then it won't be much of a, uh, an issue at all. We'll just and when were you looking at uh or when was IT looking at doing the switches? Uh, next year, OK, so. OK. So we, we may have to discuss that as part of the IT uh proposal that I. I will send out But just to get clarification as far as the rental per square foot for the building, um, you, you guys are good with the numbers, OK, I don't know why we would change those. OK, thank you I mean. Yeah, it's in the same pocket. It's all taxpayer dollars, so it's, it's, yeah, it's trying to be. Good neighbors as best we can, and no, I don't think rental rates have actually gone up. I think they stayed pretty flat. In the city for the last couple of years, there's certainly, certainly a space available just not big enough space and. For to plop an office into. Maybe if I can ask a question of the, I guess the plans for Burley County, once the offices are located in the Providence Building, what is the intent for a meeting room? Do you anticipate continuing to use the Tom Baker meeting room for county commission, county planning commission? Not when we get over there because we're gonna have our own meeting space is the plan. Um, I can talk. Because you just need it for this, this floor or the first floor as well for with the switches. And I wasn't even thinking about switches. I was thinking about how the community is going to engage with Burley County and where your meetings will be held and whether or not we as the owner of this building should anticipate your continued use in this particular room or if I haven't seen any of the drawings for Providence, so I there are plans. don't know. Um, last discussions we had, uh, the last plans I saw, we are planning on having our own meeting rooms, our own meeting space. Um, To be discussed with uh Dakota Media Access and see what that looks like as well for, you know. There might be a scenario where it is better off that we stay here just for that, but that's a conversation I can continue to have. So, I mean, everything's set up here anyway, so it'd be a little silly to be redundant with uh Dakota Media access and extra expense there. Not gonna disagree, but I mean, I mean our, our plans were to go over there, but the logistics of the technology involved, uh, we're still working through that. So it's kind of. works for residents the best, uh, Dakota Media Access, what's beneficial to the city and the county, and we'll have that conversation is Probably sooner than later, and so we or the city commission has not had any discussions about the future uses of this particular room, the Tom Baker meeting room, but I guess I I have my own thoughts about the plans of you guys going to stay down here or not? if the first floor becomes available, which it appears, Well, you know, into 2027, it would, I would really like to explore the option of moving this room to the main level, primarily for safety, security, and accessibility. I think Commissioner Bach and you may have been here when we had. A number of uh paratransit users in this room and it took a tremendous amount of time to use the elevator to get them out of the building. Actually that was prior to the elevator being upgraded a little bit and some work done in the elevator too, so that was kind of the impetus to that. Yeah, just thinking about utilizing the space that we have in this building, if the first floor becomes entirely available, I think we have a responsibility to find the highest and best use for that. If this facility continues to facilitate all the public meetings in this location, I think that's a, a great conversation. I think that's what a lot of people have come to expect. I think if we start parsing out, counties got their own rooms, schools have their room, and suddenly we're, we're not really Uh, as accessible for some citizens, so I think personally I think there's value in having one. Location, but at the same time if it just doesn't work, it just doesn't work and that's a decision that each board would have to make for themselves. I think that's. Depending on what that would look like as far as uh a remodel, cause again, accessibility, and that was the thing we were running into with the Providence building, we actually relocated our meeting space, uh, Just to have more accessibility for the public and unfortunately, we cannot be on the first floor there, um, which would be the best, but that's something we've had come up in discussion as well. So, and if it does make the most sense that For accessibility for the public, then absolutely we'll explore that. And the city does have funds identified in this year's budget. We were initially when we were doing budget planning for 2025, we knew the county was considering relocating to Provident, and I guess we were thinking it was a little shorter time frame, so we as the city do have funds identified this year for basically an architectural service to to reimagine what this building could look like. Um, knowing that we've got until the end of 2027, might be a little premature for us to engage in that particular project, but I think knowing what final decisions the county makes will have a big influence on how we look at this building too. It could be such that you guys build such a great public meeting room that everybody wants, who knows, and then we reimagine this building both on the lower level and the main level, but I think that's a great discussion for the city and the county to have to see what's the best use of that space from a public meeting perspective and. What we wind up with and what could potentially be here and how that best suits the public so that's great yeah so that would be a great conversation to have. It's and thinking about the resources that Dakota Media Access provides obviously they're broadcasting all of these meetings, um. Well, you work with them a lot, so I, and I know the conversations goes back a ways about upgrading some of the equipment in there as well, so. Now would be a really good time to have that conversation on what they would like to do and if it's one. Location, whether it's here or there. Um, for all the different meeting spaces so that they can have that coverage, then we should have that conversation. So if you wanna help facilitate that, that'd be greatly appreciated. Anything else on Providence City county building, OK, other business. Yeah, uh, want to have a good discussion, uh, about the extraterritorial zone. Uh, Jason and I had a real good conversation last Friday. Uh, this is an issue that's been coming up for a long time. I know, uh, when I was mayor, uh, Commissioner Marquardt, myself, uh. Commissioners Peluso and Bittner on the county side had exhausting discussions of what it would look like or how to go through the process and uh we did not come up with a A workable solution to meet the needs of the residents in the ETA. Now, that being said, Jason and I had our phone call and got to spitball a lot of things. I think it'd be very beneficial if we utilized. This time. Or another time to have a full. City County commission joint meeting with our full quorums and go through a little bit of the history of the ETA what some of the concerns are, what the detriment are, um, use it as A little bit of a uh. Less an opportunity for those that may not be fully versed with it, um, and then I would like to have some public hearing opportunities to have residents speak up because, um, anybody that's in the ETA is probably a future resident of Bismarck with the the growth rate of Bismarck, but we have to figure out how to manage that. There might be some areas of the ETA that. Yeah, well, and, and I was an advocate of this before. I mean, there's areas that Bismarck is just not gonna grow into and let it go. I mean, that would benefit ETA residents, county residents, and actually help on the, uh, flood insurance rates in some areas as well. So I, I, there's. It's worth a full discussion and, and I would like to get a whiteboard up and everybody get the concerns on and let our staffs work through that afterwards. Make it a working group, make it a work, yep, yeah, my, my, and I'm not saying that's a bad idea. I just. A part of me thought maybe a smaller group of us first. But, but I mean it's the educational piece because I know there's commissioners that don't fully understand on the city side. I don't know well. I think everybody, because you're Wayne, you've gotten fairly involved with it on the county side, and I know the other commissioners have been there long enough to know that, but I think from an educational perspective, I think we should get everybody down at the table and and come up with some solutions, at least from an educational piece. Here's the history of the ETA. Here's why it exists, here's how it exists, and then start going through some of the concerns and. Start working through it. So when timeline wise. Are you thinking from? The county's perspective works. I'm open whenever. Uh, my initial thought and when I'd spoken with Jason was utilize this meeting time, but if we want to have a special meeting at Uh, after 5, so maybe more people can watch on TV or or listen, um, so when, when's our meeting in July? What is that? Is it the first, first Tuesday in July, so that is July 1st, yeah. So whatever your availability is, uh, well, I mean availability is, you know, you, you fit it in, right, um. So Do we want to take it in it up last night and uh there's appetite from our commission to I'm wondering if it's in two steps or 3 steps. do that. I mean, do I do kind of an educational session first? I'm just asking questions. Yeah, before the public's involved, I think we need to get together and have the informational piece and what the concerns are, the history, the background, because, um, I, I think there's. There are some commissioners that don't know the full story, uh, the full history, and knowing that I think is important because having that information is where you can start coming up with some solutions. So, Probably a two step so that we can address some of the issues, give staff some time to digest that, get it back to both of our commissions, and then we can start having some informational inputs. So I think if if we're gonna have the input sessions, I think we need to do those in an evening. So I think those would be in the evening. I think midday is just hard for people. I mean, the first informational with for just our staffs to get their commissions to get together, I think we could probably utilize this time. Um, But yeah, the, the informational meeting's gonna have to be a different because uh the request is from the county commission is asked to do it and then I have no problem with that because honestly I didn't know which where this was going last week, to be honest. Yeah, well, and, and part of this was I had a lot of people reach out after, um, last week's city commission meeting and. It was uh like a lot of people concerned about. The information or. Lack of institutional knowledge surrounding the ETA and there's probably some of that's lacking. I don't doubt that for a minute. I know we have to. I do agree that there are some adjustments. To the lines within the ETA, I think that need to be looked at and I, I even, even thinking about, you know, um. Spitball and I how do we make sure that the individuals who are in the ETA get their fair representation at planning and zoning, whoever the planning and zoning is, and so they feel like they have kind of control over, and it trickles down into a lot of different areas too, because just on election side I know in 2018 there was a bunch of disenfranchised voters. They didn't get ballots because they didn't get a city ballot. In the city, but where the lines fell and with the new development and the growth and. Yeah, so things like that, you know, and if we can utilize the ETA as a way to clean up city boundaries a little bit, I think that's beneficial to the city because honest to God, it's one of the most gerrymandered looking maps I have ever seen in my life. And, and I don't want to go start maxing people just to no, no, because that's that's what we need to come up with some solutions and some forward thinking as to when those boundaries like I said, Jason and I had an hour long conversation and I like to talk so it's probably about 30 minutes longer than what it needed to be, but we had some really good ideas. So and and and he and I have shared some things to start working forward to as Bismarck grows and and managing that with Burley County. I think I can just offer an interesting perspective having spent 10 years in community development, I started in 2006. Obviously the ETA was in place at that time. We were, we had a 2 mile and a 4 mile, and since that time we've negotiated to a much different boundary, but I can tell you now, 19 years beyond where I was when I first started, I look at some of these rural subdivisions a lot differently and think about how. How would we annex this? And when I talk about annexation, what I'm thinking about is the services the city provides. And so the core services are obviously police and fire protection, uh, 911 dispatch, emergency services, that's one thing. But then we're also talking about water and sewer and how do we provide water and sewer to some of these rural subdivisions and frankly, I don't know that there's an answer for all of those things. So I guess we're, we're starting to road maintenance discussion and, and trash collection neighborhoods really. Don't need curb and gutter and what does that look like? And so when I think about these rural subdivisions today, I think about them differently in that if we, the city, are able to provide services, then those should be the services that they would be taxed or charged for. So in short, if there aren't fire hydrants in rural subdivisions, we cannot provide the same type of fire protection in a rural subdivision that we can in an urban subdivision. So either we address that one of two ways. We Change the type of trucks that we're showing up with and we bring our own water like rural fire does, or we talk about what it would take to install a water line sufficient to provide the water flows for a hydrant. I don't know that either of those are really practical solutions in a lot of cases, but those are some of the ideas I think that we need to talk through about what would annexation look like in a rural subdivision and To me, I, I don't think it's a blanket annexation. Everybody gets the same services as an urban resident because we, the city can't simply provide those without disrupting a lot of what rural residents have come to appreciate and that is. Large lots and we we shouldn't annex them if there's no real need to agree. But we also have a few rural subdivisions that are right on the edge of city limits that could be impediments to growing in an urban pattern and then you're gonna wind up leapfrogging. With urban density and that's not workable either unless there's a solution to to be linear. And the other thing I, I think needs to be mentioned, at least from our perspective, from the, from the city's perspective, some of the ETA is areas in and around very important infrastructure for us, and I guess I'm thinking primarily right now about the airport. Obviously that's an area that we have, you know, a significant investment. We have a long term play here. We need to be mindful about who. The neighbors are within the airport's jurisdiction, and so some of these areas, I don't really know are negotiable, but I think in other cases where we've got examples of rural subdivisions that are It's established or in many cases built out to almost 100%. I think those are great places that we start start the conversation and look at how do we really pull the ETA into a growth boundary that I think many of us can learn to understand and appreciate and really think about for the next 30 to 50 years. Well, the ETA has been there. And It's just been there. There's, there's not been a working methodology for managing it, and I think that's part of the issue. I mean there was a line drawn, and yeah, that's all it was and it's been an issue since then and it's not a working model that benefits the county, the city, and the residents of the ETA, and we need to, we need to come up with a working model. It's, it's far past time. OK, so we can. Plan our meeting on the first of July. July 1st. OK. You want to go and get that invite out and just a question. So our city commission will meet next week, Tuesday. Uh, we'll put an item on there that the request is to have a joint meeting at this time on July 1st. Just asking the question, if not all five city commissioners are available, does that change the request of Burley County? Um, we do have commissioners that work full-time jobs, and 3 o'clock may not. 4 o'clock may not accommodate. OK, see what your appetite is. I, I, if, if one missed and could watch it online, great, but I think we need at least a quorum of each commission. I, I would agree. So and then I think we're gonna put our planning staff. They, they're gonna have to help educate us or provide the educational piece. Well, and that's just it. So you're planning staff and, and fortunately Jason's a great resource for a lot of that history piece and we've got Mitch and Mitch will be part of that too, so. OK, perfect. Any other business That's all I had. OK, sounds good. I think we can be adjourned. Awesome. Thank you.