Uh, welcome to M Burley Commission Committee, uh, 4 o'clock. scheduled to meet today, uh, Tuesday, July 1st, 2025, 4 p.m. Tom Baker Room City County Office building, uh, Mayor Schmiter here, uh, public comment. call the roll please. It's Administrator. Here Auditor Skowski. Anyone wishing to speak on any of the agenda items, please come forward. Public comment. 2nd call for public comment. Third and final call for public comment. Wow, Commissioner Munson had nothing to say. Um, public, uh, public comment is now closed. Uh, moving on to approval of the minutes. Move to approve is presented. Second, motion is second, any further discussion. please. Auditor Skowski, Mayor Schmitz, Commissioner Bakin, Hearing. Call the roll administrator Tamonic. Yes. Uh, next item up, uh, City of Bismarck Land development code project overview. Good afternoon. So we're gonna ask you to speak into the mic. Good afternoon. And she's a consultant who's helping the planning and zoning rewrite the line development code. So just for the record, uh, state who you're with. Yeah, I'm Elizabeth Garvin. I'm a director with Clarion Associates in Denver. And I've got a short presentation for you, so let me pull that up. Or maybe not. Do I get a slide show? There it goes. They keep switching between. Well OK, all right. This is why we don't let me do technology. Thank you. OK. Am I flipping slides or is that from the magic background? OK. All right, so just have a little bit, um, fairly short presentation to give you an update of what's going on. Um, the objectives of the project, our schedule, we are drafting in three chunks that we call modules, so I've got overviews of two of them and where we're going next. So we have 4 drafting objectives for this project, um, primarily we're implementing Together 45 2045. I took 2000 years off that, um, the city's comprehensive plan. We are establishing for the city an objective set of development standards um to make the regulations predictable for users um we are looking at predictable development outcomes so we want projects to go through the process, start to finish with both applicants and um staff and elected officials understanding what's gonna happen um and then finally and um important to a lot of people we're creating a code that's gonna be user friendly so you can search it, so you can find your way through it and so you can find regulations easily. So our project timeline, we started in May of last year and we'll be finishing up in December of this year. Um, we are in the middle of drafting the full code and um we have two of the three pieces put together and we'll be starting on the 3rd shortly and I'm gonna talk about those two in detail in a minute, so I won't do that here. So the first module that we did was primarily um covering new um and existing zoning districts and uses in use specific standards so the core of the code, uh, we are looking um at a code that both converts, um, existing zoning districts to, um, something slightly broader, um, that allows a little more use, a little more development and redevelopment option. And also adding a few districts where necessary to make sure um that the city can reflect new development patterns or um development has taken place in the past that is um something the city wants to see going forward. So we got a couple of slides, 3 slides on what's changing, what isn't changing, um, and what are we confirming. So what we did with the zoning district lineup is we look to align the districts with the future land use pattern of together 2045. This is um taking the existing zoning districts, make sure that they implement something in the plan, um, and adjusting as needed. We do want to add more flexibility to development options we wanna make sure um current development and development as it changes over time is contemplated in the code so as people come through and they want to develop, they're able to do it um within the city. Um, and then particularly for downtown in and around downtown, we want to incorporate the city's basic, um, structure and site design requirements. We will have some structure and site design requirements outside of downtown, but they'll all be fairly baseline, um, and intended to reflect how development that goes into a place that already has existing development fits within um the character and the context of that area. We've looked to expand um the number and types of permitted uses. We wanna make it easy um for someone to make use of their property right use in the right location in alignment with the plan, um, and then we recognize um that uses change over time. Um, and so, um, we wanna have those standards in place and then limit the standards that might restrict reasonable change. So really this is going to the goal of, um, looking forward of creating regulations, um, that work in the future and that can be fairly predictable. So what's new, um, so we've reduced the minimum lot sizes in the urban districts, um, to encourage, um, the creation of more housing, uh, more range of housing products, range of housing opportunities for people. Um, we've also created districts that are more specifically focused on mixed use development, so residential plus commercial or even residential plus industrial, um, and allowing that as an approved development type within the city. We're looking at um transition standards so where you have residential next to something more intense we maybe don't want a lot of space there or berm separating them, but we want um maybe some fencing and some landscaping um we're working on the airport overlay district we've included some courtyard development standards was a pretty specific discussion in the city um it's just allowing smaller scale development as kind of infill in some places, um, and then in terms of making the code user friendly. Um, in the layout, we're moving things into tables so you can find dimensional information really quickly. You can find use information really quickly. We um love Easter but do not want the zoning code to be an Easter egg hunt, so we just want people to find the information they're looking for. So what's staying the same, um, still a full range of residential development allowed in the city, so this ranges from single family detached to single family attached, so that could be like town homes, um, to multifamily, so that could be apartments. So, um, within Bismarck, you know, you have different people that need different housing types and we wanna make sure that all those options are there. The rural zoning district districts are staying the same. There will be no changes to that. Um, we have been, um, looking back and forth, uh, between county zoning and city zoning to make sure that we're aligning those in the right place. Um, we have, um, kept and carried forward many of the use specific standards um that are rules that are attached to uses so if I want to put. Um, a commercial dog kennel on my property. What are the rules that relate to that? Those rules would apply to the mayor also, and they would apply to Ben also, so that would be some consistency around the use like that. And we're carrying forward the recently adopted home occupation standards. No changes to that. That was a good discussion, um, and we don't want to send people sideways wondering what happened. We're clarifying just a few things and this is really kind of getting into the details but the details are um we're applicants and staff, um we need to be in the same place to make a project move quickly through the process so um we're clarifying the conditional zoning and PUD process that'll be coming up shortly. Um, we've put some temporary use standards and permit processes in that are separate from special events. So if you wanna have a marathon, that's a special event kind of process, um, if you wanna have a temporary office on your work site, that's a temporary use process. We've clarified measurements, so how do we measure distances, how do we measure square footage? We're all doing it the same way, how do we measure height? Um, we've added in some basic short term rental requirements. We expect to have a conversation with the public about that. Some small cell wireless telecom standards. Um, and then there are standards in the current, uh, Title 14 that are located in other titles like domestic pets. So we've looked to land those in only one place. We don't want overlapping regulations, um, so we don't have problems with consistency or conflict. So that that module, um, the zoning districts and uses the status the round one drafting is complete we've taken it through the technical committee staff review and our steering committee review we have a steering committee of um community members, um, and we've given an update to the city commission and put it out uh for community feedback this summer we'll be doing some in person and online engagement. Um, about those rules and regulations and um we will be in person at some of the cities's events that go on, um, and online so people can participate however they want to, um, when we're done drafting everything we roll that together into a consolidated draft so that's module one we've started module 2. This is a pretty technical um set of regulations so here's where we have site and structure standards parking connectivity landscaping, environmentally sensitive lands, outdoor lighting, signs, subdivision and storm water management um yesterday and a little bit today we've been having conversations about a series of questions that we came up with while we were drafting and we wanna make sure that we start the regulations in the right place, so. Some of the conversations we've been having are um more urban oriented like where do we locate parking in a multi-family development or a commercial development what should the maximum block length in the city be um some are more uh related to environmentally sensitive areas, so, um, do we need a stream buffer within the city? Um, also came up but not on this list, do we need, um, standards for development in, um, steep slope areas and what would that look like? Um, we've pulled together the city's lighting standards and fence requirements into their own sections, so we're double checking on, um, whether we have everything in place, um, and then we have, um, kind of a broader look at mobility going so, um, what happens when we allow private streets? What happens if we prohibit them, um, and then how do we make sure we're moving people around in cars, um, by bicycle and if they're walking, so what's the connectivity that we require there? Um, and then finally working all the way back up to landscaping, um, we've been talking about requiring residential street trees and a minimum amount of residential landscaping required, uh, by the zoning district type. And then back to the street trees, does the city want to set up a fee and lie option? So, um, if a developer or property owner, um, would, would prefer not to have a tree, maybe it's blocking a view or uh different reasons, maybe the topography of the site, um, should they be able to essentially buy out that requirement, the money would go to a fund that would put trees elsewhere. um, so these are our bigger picture conversations. This draft is moving through the process right now. Um, we'll finish up with staff and then we'll go back to our technical committee and steering committee again. Um, and then we'll put it out for public review and we'll have some late summer public discussions about this stuff. Couple more slides. So the staff draft, the initial draft is complete. We've given it to the city. The staff is starting to take a look at it. We'll go through um our work with that, um, and then we'll start rolling that into the consolidated draft. So we, we do all these, uh, modules and then we bring them together, um, after that. Um, oh, so this is a list of some of our summer outreach, um, and we, you know, encourage, um, residents, primarily city residents, but county residents, the city plays a role in county life, and we certainly, um, do not tell people they can't respond to us just because they don't live in the city, um, so we'll have some summer outreach opportunities, um, that people can join us for and, um, we'll take comments and um. Consolidate the comments and um share them back with our draft reviewers and then decide about making changes to the drafts so they're really in preliminary form right now and we'll start getting the feedback and then we'll make those changes um that's kind of it really it is, you know, it's a it's a longish process and we just try to keep everybody updated along the way so that's what's going on. Thanks. Any questions? I just want to make sure everybody's well aware of like the steering committees got developers on it who are inside the city and in the ETA developing, so they've had significant input into the land use, especially around housing. And commercial development, so it's important for everybody to know that that that group was very critical to this, um, and then other business users as well. Well, I think it's valuable too coming up with our next agenda item and, and, uh, future discussion about the ETA as well, so. I I guess I do have a question. So much of what we do is driven by those that show up, by the comments that are provided by those that are engaged. I guess to this point, are you satisfied with the public involvement that you've had, or no, I guess maybe the question is, are there things that we as a city could be doing to encourage more participation because If we hear from the same 6 people, we probably won't get new ideas and or county for that matter too. So yeah, are there ways that we could broaden the ask for the call to action to try and get more voices to help I don't think I think the timing on that question is provide feedback? great because we are really just getting started with the outreach. We kind of In in doing a code like this, we, we know we have to balance, um, getting people in early versus having enough information so we can answer their questions because usually somebody will ask a question that relates to three different parts of the code, even though they're just asking, can I have an ADU it's, you know, you can have it in your district and here are the standards for it and here's the process, um, so. We, um, will be working with Daniel and Ben and the rest of the planning staff um on what we've started outlining as our summer outreach. I think that we would probably love to have it messaged out um you know on the city website or at meetings um if we could encourage people to join us that would be great part of our approach to that is starting with education. Um, sometimes people are a little afraid to jump in on zoning. It either sounds a little, you know, frightening. I don't know anything about that. I don't want to say anything about it or it sounds boring, which I don't understand because I think it's fascinating, but, um, so this first bit of outreach we're gonna do will be focused on educating people about zoning and teaching them how they can come in, um, and make useful comments and. Um, so we will work with you and let you know where we're going and what we're doing, and we're always open to feedback to, hey, could you reach out to this group? Um, you know, we've been talking about doing something just as simple as coffee with a planner, um, so saying that you know someone from planning department's gonna be available at this coffee shop for a few hours, don't have to come to City Hall, just drop in and say hi. So that's really low tech to, you know, online surveys or, you know, in person meetings. So how about if we finish polishing up what we think we're doing and get some feedback from all of you about that and make changes and adjust on the fly as we need to. I think that all sounds great just coming from the city administration department, we've got a couple of communications professionals that would love to help, and I'm pleased to say that just over the last couple of weeks we have eclipsed 20,000 followers on our Facebook account, so. They've they've done a really nice job growing that audience and it's projects like this where we can share that message with even more people. So if there are things that we can do collectively between the consulting world, the community development department, city administration, I guess accept this as an offer that we are more than happy to help. Excellent, thank you. Thank you very much. Any other questions or comments? Thank you very much. Thank you for your time this evening. Yeah, actually that's very exciting considering our next agenda item, item number 5, proposed August 5th, 2025 combined city-county meeting. Jason, do you have information on that? Uh, that is the next date for this regular group to meet the first Tuesday, but we had identified that as the potential date for all the commission commissioners for the city and county to come together. The auditor Slonskowski was working on availability of the county commission. I don't know that you've heard from. All 5 as of yet. I believe I've heard back from 3 that they're able to attend. My understanding was the goal was to have all 10 at the collectively. That would be our hope and that date we knew we were short today out of the city so that date when we asked a few weeks ago that August 5th worked for all of our commissioners. So if we can get the other confirmation from the other couple, then all we would need to do is lock it in and then. I guess maybe for this discussion today, do we want to start to pick through is there an agenda is there uh expectations rather than just show up and start talking? So I think we talked last time that we would hear from both planning and zoning departments and get a kind of a. You call it like an education. I think that's kind of a good term, you know, here's where we are, where are our differences between what's the impact one way or the other possibly both parties, parties and also for the public well, and I think then they actually were meeting already today, I think some with both. Yeah, I'm sorry to imprompt come up here, but it's pertinent to your comments here. Mitch Daniel and I actually did meet today. And we, we will be, uh, we did have a discussion about, uh, putting a presentation together. I think, um, as it, as it stands now, I'll probably end up giving the presentation. Mitchell will be available for any, any questions, um, anything we share, you know, we'll wanna make sure, you know, county staff is, is, it's consistent with, with their, uh, their view as well when we're comparing things like zoning ordinance and, and, uh, building code. And so, yeah, you know, we confirmed with Mitch that he is more than happy to help, uh, do some of the legwork there and help in the preparation and, uh, yeah, if it's August 5th, you know, we'll be there with that presentation and have staff available to answer questions. Then from there we'll see where we, you know, where I don't know how to establish an agenda until we've had that piece right and I think the place this starts is the informational piece because. You know, having some discussions with some of the city commissioners, they don't know the full breadth of how this functions and how it's supposed to function, and our goal is to make it function better. So, um, I think I said last time say Jason and I had a probably about an hour conversation just spitballing stuff and came up with a good pathway for solutions just in an hour conversation, so that was kind of. Where I was thinking that if we get all of us together from uh an institutional knowledge perspective, we can come up with better solutions. So I think that's the agenda. OK. do you have anything else, Steve? No, uh, did you, you want to do a follow up with, uh, the other commissioners that aren't available and see if. Perfect. Uh, next item up, 2026 budget discussion. Sorry, can we go back to number 5 is the county commission meeting in regular session next week, Monday, the 7th. OK. Yeah, and so maybe that would be a time to get everybody or at least discuss it. I think having both boards talk about it. To get the word out, to let people know, obviously, number one, there's going to be public comment on the agenda, so we'll, we'll have an opportunity here from people. In that regard, but at the same time, there may be people that watch county meetings that may not, may not watch this meeting or city meetings. So, I guess just as a suggestion to raise awareness for those that are home that are consuming these meetings, let them know that things are progressing and moving forward. That would be the only add that to the agenda. Thank you. Thanks. Uh, item number 6, 2026 budget discussion. So I think the primary thing is to figure out where we're landing if we have any idea yet. Probably public health because I think municipal court leases that that's already kind of we know what your occupancy. Needs are at least through 26, right, and like I think I said last time, we're probably in the same position. Through 27 with where the the uh discussions came in on a timeline for the Provident building, um, commissioner Munson since you're on the budget committee if you wouldn't mind coming up and um we just went through the budget commission last uh committees last week. Soer Munson, do you have anything to add? Yeah, so as the, the committee met, um, and, and we've all talked about this 3% cap more than we care to, but. Um, the, the direction from the budget committee to the Berley County Commission on Public Health, we're still at that 60/40 split is what is in our packet to present to the commissioners. The 21st, yeah, uh, when we released our preliminary budget. So that that's the number that we settled on um within the budget committee. OK. And beyond that, until you get to the commissioner we get 3 other commissioners talking, that's the best I can give. OK, well, I mean, I know we've already gone through the preliminary budgeting process, so I think we used hopefully a safe number. I'll leave it at that. Demetri, is it a safe number? OK. I didn't know how else to it. What was the date of that? Was it July 21st? And that's the preliminary budget for Burley County? I'm wondering if we should have a preliminary preliminary uh just So one of the other items that came up during. Um, the budget hearings, uh, was to put together a workshop the week prior. So I know auditor Swanskowski is working on a date for the week prior to preliminary budgets. A lot of it is to really get a handle on the 3% cap, how that affects us today and 3 to 4 years from now, uh, but also to go through some of the requests for The adding capital improvement fund and doing a few other items, consolidating everybody's capital improvements out of each individual budgets into one, so there's a lot of stuff that we need to talk about ahead of time, but I'm wondering if just for the city's benefit if we can have a preliminary discussion on if there's appetite to go to the 6040 or. Leave it at 7525 just so the city needs a definitive answer. I mean, are you up against a timeline for anything like that? Or are you OK with us waiting until the 21st? I think we're probably or do you need do you need a number now, Dimitri? I, I think based based on what my understanding where we're at, we're probably OK and if end up with the 6040 then it allows us some flexibility, um. Given with the way the whole new world we're in at the moment, today's world, right, um. I think we just have to have a preliminary budget posted by the 7th of August and we'll be able to do that because we'll we'll have our. Preliminary meeting on the 22nd, so we, because we don't have another meeting before the 7th, right? OK, so if you're fine with that, then we'll right, am I right on that? OK, so I think we're, we're. We know where you're kind of what what you're recommending, and I think we're safe to that. OK, so we'll just leave it at the budget committee, um. A little workshop and then the 21st. So all right, thank you, Wayne. Uh, any other 2026 budget discussions? I think our biggest thing is just continue to have the I don't think so. dialogue where we're and that's the big ones, so, and the, and the rest, I think we already handled, I think 00, it's not done yet. OK, I'm sorry. I thought there had been, uh, I thought we'd kind of that kind of. And I know there's been some conversations about the IT budget. That was the one big one too that I, I think you guys even talked the other day if I remember right. A little bit, yeah, a little bit because this is a bit news to me. Your foot's asleep. We'll just hop then. Getting old. Um, um, uh, did the, did the, uh, county, uh, budget committee have any issues with the IT? The only, the only concern the budget committee had with with IT was replacing all of the switches at one time. That was the big conversation that we had that dollar amount. Um, So the only, the only issue I talked to Tandra this morning, uh, our IT manager, and she basically said, and Zach said essentially that if, if the if this these switches, we can, we can stagger them out, but the problem is if, if any of them, one of them go out of warranty, which yeah, it takes you guys down completely and it'll be like an emergency all of a sudden. Well and and part of the conversation that we had was even stalking one or two just in case, you know, so rather than replacing it all go in stages, but. We would purchase. To have a few in stock just in case. I don't know if that conversation went to you or not. That was the conversation we had with Mary. The only issue with with the thing is you guys can take what I understand is even if you replace them you can take them with you to the Provident Building so it doesn't have to be that you they just stay here or something it's not a switch we use it's not a switch that we're using at the Provident Building so our IT folks have said. They'll stay, I mean. There's no, we don't have a use for them. I know, but what I'm saying is if you guys, guys go out of commission, all of a sudden our team has to like rush like that and be ready to jump on and fix it and set it up I'm just kidding. I don't wanna put you guys in that position. That's not a good position to put anybody into and, and we all know that emergency services cost more than just routine maintenance. I would, I'd be happy to, to have Tandra come and I don't know, we, we don't have another meeting we don't, yeah, I guess I would suggest that Tandra and. The county's IT coordinate and if there was, I mean, I understand exactly where the county would be coming from. They don't need to replace all the switches that for a 1 year or 18 month time frame, and, and maybe because they're not gonna be able to reuse them. We don't know what we're gonna do with the space. But let me, what if the but but if you guys were to be in a position where you could use them, then maybe we figure out something where we just go ahead and replace them. And at which time we're no longer using them. There's, you know, that might be the best route to go down that you guys can utilize them even after we don't, but you know, so we'll just rent them for a while. Well, what if like you guys have run into some sort of issues with the 2. Has a chance to like not run into anymore. That's kind of what we're talking about this morning is what would happen if the building would go into 28 you know you know I don't know yeah but I think that's probably the best route is if we go ahead and for that that we're gonna get reimbursed for a pro-rated. At which point we don't because the city can use them we won't and we'll get some sort of a rebate back on the longevity of those assets if that's I think as long as we can come up with some schedule to that. I don't, I mean, I, I don't I mean trust me I have IT in my office and. It drives me nuts every day because it only works. That's great. Well, I think they're like warranty is like 4 to 5 years we could do that if you guys are here, we just say, OK, whenever you guys decide to leave, we'll just cut that off and then we'll reimburse you for whatever the cost was. So why don't you with that. Yeah, Mark and Mary and then get something to us and get something to the city before the next budget. Meetings we can have it for our for our budget um yeah on the workshop that would be good yeah because I I think that would be the most amenable to proceed with its, it protects your yeah, everybody's covered integrity standpoint and then we just we're not because you guys can rebate or turn around and buy back based on life and if we use warranty as the useful life that makes sense to me. No, that was the only question on IT was the switches. so glad we had that conversation. I don't have anything else, Jason, do you? I, I guess not on IT stuff, not on budget stuff, um, with that, uh, any other business, Jason. I do have a question, I guess, and, and maybe I heard part of this conversation at one of the county commission meetings under other business, but today's July 1, 2025. No summit's not here. That wasn't the question I was gonna ask. So we're, we're a year and 3 days from celebrating 250 years of the United States. Yes, so. Is there something, is there a group that's interested in trying to coordinate uh some sort of event recognition, extra fireworks? What, what are we thinking about here? Is the county talk about anything? Are there uh any light items in your budget planning for next year, or are we just gonna let this one go through? Did you guys have that discussion on budget or not Yeah, because we discussed it at the last meeting. at all? So I would be in favor of, of putting something in the budget for that, um, you know, I, I, I know prudently preliminary budget right now has got more than what we normally do because I know you, you did a yeoman's job pulling things together for Bismarck's birthday, so um. I would probably say try to lean on some of those same resources, but if there's any. Service groups we can reach out to that would like to coordinate an event. Um, You know, that might be the place to start. Maybe put out a public uh. Uh, request for. For input, uh, have you thought about putting together a steering committee and maybe we could do that jointly, um, between the city and the county for. Some sort of a committee to spitballing because I don't want to dump this on you and I'm not taking it. So it was great having done it in 2022 with less than 6 months to plan for everything, I was very pleased with how successful things came about. But now that we've got a year to me this is more than a city thing. This is this is an entire United States thing, a county thing, so how can we Coordinate, work together to do something that recognizes well, and I think the state should be involved too because as a state capital. The, you know, this is, like you said, bigger, and I think the state should have it involvement too, so. Is it the grounds committee at the Capitol or do we reach out to local legislators? I guess those are I, I don't know. I think just thinking about our organization, it would probably be best if we would identify one person to task with some of these responsibilities, not thinking who that person is at this time, um. But I, I like the idea of having a committee. I like the idea of having a lot of stakeholders because then we've got a bigger reach. We've got a larger audience. We've got more potential to be successful, quite frankly, yeah, and, and I think it needs to be state, city and county input So Jason, could we start with the group that for that. Work to take over the 4th of July celebration that we're going to have this year. As the starting of that committee. I think so. Um, I kind of caused that to happen too, and so that for you, I think it'd be a good place to start the discussion because right, but those are the stakeholders that we work with frequently. It was the the chamber, EDC, the Convention and Visitors Bureau. Uh, the symphony, because they've been such a part of the events at the Capitol all of these years, Bismarck Parks and Recreation District. So the Capitol wasn't involved with the, so that we can't even use it. Yeah, so that that's the piece we need to figure out the capital's role in the Fourth of July celebration has historically in primarily been the location, right? All the activity planning, the funding, that was all done by the Bismarck Mandan and Symphony Orchestra. Most recently, City of Bismarck was paying for the fireworks. At one time, Burley County shared in that expense, and it was within the last probably 5 years that the county has chosen to no longer pay for the fireworks. So, Yeah, we, I, I think it is worth involving some state leadership as well. Uh, I don't expect the location to be at the Capitol just because of the limitations with fireworks. Obviously we're going to see how well the Community bowl works this week for the first time, with the 4th of July there, and I'm sure we're going to learn a lot from this event. But I believe the intention would be to be at the community bowl permanently going forward and looking at next year. I think that's a really good opportunity to make it even bigger. So and the, uh, the bowl, depending on how it works out, that might be a fantastic idea. Another place that just popped in my brain. Maybe it's a bad idea, maybe it's not, but over at Buckstop Junction yeah. So we'll see how parking works this first time, and property we're encouraging people to carpool, you know, walk if you can, ride your bike, whatever the case might be, but no different than at the Capitol too. It's leaving the Capitol after the 4th of July fireworks. It's a pretty congested area sometimes, so. I think for these types of things people just have to be patient, but if we don't start talking about this opportunity now, we're going to have even less to have this discussion prior to the legislative session ending, but. Yeah, well, maybe they could call back in the session and have that discussion. uh, Auditor Sposkowski in our budget hearing, didn't Jerry. Woodcox keep money in the budget for us to help with the 4th of July. I believe that there's a line item in the commission's budget for county involvement, and there is, there are currently funds in it in it for, for whatever the commission decides If you want to look at that line item again and increase to do. that, back to the workshop that's exactly the line item I was thinking if that were to be done, that would be where we would do it back to the workshop side of it and, and I would encourage that we asked Jerry to be part of this because I know he is working on the side of the. Uh, Provident Building as a billboard, if you will, or a, a big painting mural So he's already involved if we wanna ask him to be part of for it. this, I think that if you want to include him in in that. Yeah, I don't know if you caught all of it too, but that was one of the other, that's part of where this discussion started the county level with the Providence doing at the, a mural in conjunction with the 250th so I think we need to celebrate it. I mean it's a big birthday for the country. So, well. Uh, Jason, maybe I would just suggest if you can see if that committee that's working on this year's would. Be willing to be the leader of it and then get a leader out of it so it's you. I, I think they're gonna have a lot of takeaways from after the 4th. Uh, which can play right into next year, so. OK, I appreciate the feedback. I will wait till after the. The fireworks have settled after the 4th and then fire off an email to everybody and uh see if we can generate some interest. I, I believe this is a great opportunity. If we don't find a way to celebrate it, we're going to really, we'll we'll regret it in the future, so. I won't be around for the next 250th, so let's make the most of the one we got. Um, but yeah, definitely we gotta figure out the state involvement piece cause after, you know, what city had to go through, I'm, I'm kind of curious what their wishes would be or their level of intent would be to be involved, so. When we had the discussion with outgoing Governor Burgum's staff at the end of 2024, they were very interested in keeping the 4th of July celebration at the Capitol, however, very noncommittal because of the timeline and can't speak for the then incoming governor Armstrong and and what his desires are, so. Um, but we can, we can definitely reach out to state leadership as well and see how they would like to engage with us and be a part of this. I think no better place than the capital city to be celebrating something like this, and right, and I think starting with the governor's office would be advantageous as well, so. Um, Any other discussions? I have nothing. OK. Am I telling, uh, Jerry that you volunteered him or not? OK. I, I think he's OK with this one. I think he'll be OK. Uh, with that, uh, this meeting is adjourned. Thank you.