00:00:05,970	Produced by Dakota Media Access. In-depth discussion with Bismarck and Mandan city officials. Watch on government access channel 602 HD or tune in to radio Access 102.5 FM. Always local. Always current. Coming up on this episode of City current will visit the July 28th Bismarck City Commission meeting.

00:00:34,900	Go over the Bismarck Mandan Convention and Visitors Bureau annual report and the impacts it makes on our communities. Look at design options for the city county building, and also get a look at the 2027 preliminary budget for the City of Bismarck. I'm Tom Gerhardt from Dakota Media Access. Thanks for joining us today. Jason Tomanek, Bismarck city administrator. Good to see you. Glad to be here.

00:00:55,670	Thanks for hosting. Active night at the commission meeting. Yeah. As you were running through the here's what we're going to talk about. It's like those are some pretty heavy lifts. Those are some some heavy lift and interesting, interesting topics to and all impact all of us. Yeah. Well.

00:01:14,800	Let's let's start with the convention and Visitors Bureau report. Annual report. A lot of impactful statistics that Sheri Grossman, the director, was able to provide last night, including. And you had talked about this for Red, white and boom, how you were able to capture information now to to help provide context to what's going on in the city.

00:01:35,870	And clearly, they're able to do that in the tourism industry, too. And the 1.7 million total trips was one statistic that caught a lot of attention. How do we get to that number? And it's a lot of cell phone data, a lot of information, card data and things like that, but a lot of spending, a lot of hotels, a lot of restaurants

00:01:53,800	and a lot of folks visiting Bismarck. Yeah, those are the top three categories for visitors. Spend is retail, hotels and restaurants. And that's exactly what we would expect. That's a lot of what we do when we travel. And for the Convention and Visitors Bureau.

00:02:11,100	Those are important numbers because they're helping, you know, infuse business in the local hotels, in the restaurants. And why does all of that matter? Because it cycles back to part of the revenue stream for the Bismarck Mandan Convention and Visitors Bureau through the hotel motel tax. So 75% of that tax that's collected locally goes directly to the CVB for their operations every year.

00:02:30,930	The other portion of the CVS revenue is predominantly through charitable gaming, a few gaming sites in the community, and then there is also a small gift shop at their location at 1600 Boat Drive. So if you haven't been up there, it's a great place to go buy gifts for people.

00:02:49,500	There's a good number of Bismarck Mandan things around the store, but overall, total visitors spend $300.6 million in 2025. And as you mentioned, 1.7 million trips to the Bismarck Mandan area. Sheri did note some of those. Some of those numbers are not unique visits. They would be business travel that would be back and forth multiple times a year regardless.

00:03:12,070	That's 1.7 million times that people are in Bismarck Mandan. That wouldn't have been otherwise right then. Some other statistics 339 meetings and events hosted. How are we getting these people to visit Bismarck? So some of these big events, as we know, have tremendous impact.

00:03:37,470	The that's one thing we've learned through the evolution of the Bismarck Event Center is the importance of being able to host a conference or conferences in your community. Why is that important? Because of what we were just talking about. It puts people in the hotels. It puts people in the restaurants, but it also captures them here for several days at a time. And that's one way to describe economic development.

00:03:57,230	It's people coming to our community and leaving their dollars here, as opposed to spending them in their communities. And as we know, those those dollars will continue to cycle through our local economy as many as seven times through.

00:04:17,430	And so all of that attraction to the Bismarck Mandan area is a primary driver in what the Convention and Visitors Bureau is doing. They're out selling the merits of our community to planners and conference organizers to encourage them to come to Bismarck with their events and activities. And we've talked about this several times in the past.

00:04:35,600	But when people from out of town come here and spend money that helps offset some expenses and helps the city do improvements and things around town. 25% of that hotel motel tax goes towards improvements at the Bismarck Event Center. So tangentially, one of the items on the agenda last night was to accept bids for the HVAC improvements that are beginning at the event center.

00:04:57,030	That project is being funded through the hotel sales tax collections. So it's it's a big cycle of money working through the economy. But in the end, it all comes back to these are good things for Bismarck Mandan because it's bringing dollars and it's promoting jobs and tourism.

00:05:17,570	And it's it's just all a good part of how we make Bismarck Mandan work. One thing Sheri talked about a ten year plan. I have a graphic. If people are watching that, they can take a look at and how they're looking to the future to to continue to impact Bismarck.

00:05:36,700	The CVB just completed a destination master plan about a year ago that was facilitated through a consulting firm. And so it's basically their ten year roadmap, phase one years one, two and three big ideas there or goals and objectives. There would be to launch events and riverfront programing. And we're seeing that under construction today down on River road.

00:05:56,800	The CVB was one of the original groups that infused cash into that project to allow the design to start to work forward. So that's very much a tourism attraction piece. And then a hotel study that was just recently completed as well.

00:06:14,000	And so there's a lot of information in that study that would encourage hotel developers to be looking at Bismarck Mandan for new construction years 4 or 5 and six. Phase two build and activate would be the theme their convention hotel construction. This is something that we continue to talk about supporting the Bismarck Event Center. Having a business class hotel within walking distance of the event center would be huge.

00:06:33,900	To support those conferences and conventions that we want to attract, for all the reasons we already talked about, and then to be able to promote larger events and increase visitor volumes. That's phase two and then seven through ten grow and lead. Then we're talking about citywide conventions. Tourism is a permanent economic driver.

00:06:50,770	People thinking about Bismarck Mandan is a place to come and visit. Also kind of a fun thing. I think I was just sharing on a recent vacation. One of our friends used AI to help plan part of the vacation, and the Convention and Visitors Bureau has a new tool, I think Sheri said.

00:07:10,170	They're the only one in the state that offers this where you can go on their website, type in some information, and it'll kick out some ideas. Whether it's hotels, restaurants, activities just prompt you to know what's happening and where to go. It's almost your your own little tour guide, and I'm sure you could tweak it to your family's needs.

00:07:28,570	If you've got X number of kids you like to do outdoor things or sports things, you feed all of that in there. I guess I should try it as a Mandan resident, it would. I agree with its recommendations. I think that's a good test.

00:07:45,700	Interesting, right? But CVB definitely has lots of partners in the community and driving business driving activities. That's a big part of what they're doing. So I think this is going to be a neat little feature that they can offer on their website. And Sheri did note last night that if you're not a member, your information will still come up on.

00:08:01,800	So it's not excluding businesses that aren't members of the. I think it's geared towards members first to encourage participation as a member, but then also just realizing that it's all about the visitor experience and making sure that our guests have a good time and tell their friends and come back and do it all over again.

00:08:20,470	Well, next on the agenda and I'll let you provide some context and some background. But was the renovation and design options for the city County building? The Burleigh County is in the process of moving into the Provident Life Building, I think was by the end of 2027 they should be out.

00:08:39,130	That opens up possibilities for for what will be done in that building and allow for some updates and upgrades. Updates, upgrades, renovation, safety improvements, security, accessibility. Those are all big drivers behind this. So maybe a little context for somebody that didn't catch the meeting. The city of Bismarck has owned the property at 221 North fifth Street.

00:09:03,800	We called the city County building. We've owned that since 1984, purchased it from the clinic, converted it from a clinic space to an office building. We've been there ever since.

00:09:25,330	In the time that I've been with the city since 2006, floors two, three and four were renovated one floor at a time, and renovations involved your typical updates new walls, new office furniture in certain places, new floor coverings, but then also moving some departments around. At one time public health was in our building. Of course, they moved down to fifth and front and now they're out on 26th Street. So there's been some changes over the years, certainly.

00:09:41,700	But the biggest driver, of course, is the fact that Burleigh County is leading the first floor, which now we have 25% of the building that we've never used as the city.

00:09:57,600	And I guess when I think about how do we best utilize the resources that we're given, I'm one of my first thoughts drifts towards the Tom Baker meeting room. Right. We're in the basement. We've been in the basement this entire time. It's it presents challenges. It presents accessibility challenges. I believe their safety and security concerns in there. The ceilings are low. There's columns to hold up the building. The sight lines aren't great.

00:10:16,800	There's just some some things that a modern commission chambers would offer that the Tom Baker room is just simply lacking. And so thinking about how do we repurpose the first floor, is there a way we could pull the chamber from the basement and repurpose it on the first floor? We've been working with Endeavor North Design,

00:10:35,630	which is a team of architects, and then they have assembled a design team of professionals that include engineers, structural, mechanical, electrical. There's a landscape architecture team on this, so we've got the full discipline of design professionals looking at this building inside and out. And the group came forward last night with five options for the commission to consider.

00:10:57,930	The basic option A really just addresses some of the maintenance needs in the building. The building needs a new roof. We have the oldest elevator in North Dakota. I did that was that was I was going to bring it up if you didn't mention it. I was. As a history. That was an old elevator.

00:11:15,400	Is a history guy. That's probably not something we want as a distinction. No. And it is the only elevator in the building. And I believe I misspoke at the meeting on Tuesday when I said it's the only way to the Baker room. That's not stairs.

00:11:30,770	There are two sets of stairs, but it is the only elevator in the building for all four floors. And the basement, all five floors, essentially. And it it's reliable. There's people that use it every day. I don't want to give anyone the impression it's not safe. It has regular service and all of that. But like with any piece of aging infrastructure, it needs more attention than something today might.

00:11:48,770	So thinking about all of those components, how do we start to work through this. And so option A really looks at the roof, the elevator. And probably the biggest expense in a lot of these options is the HVAC system. Currently we have the building was built in three different phases. We have three different HVAC systems.

00:12:10,470	And as I mentioned at the commission meeting over this last hot weekend, the cooling tower went down. There was a blip in the power. It caused something to happen in the in the system. Sunday evening, I stopped by the office and it was 90 degrees on the fourth floor. That's unpleasant working conditions inside or outside.

00:12:29,600	And so fortunately, our building maintenance crew, they're well-versed in this old building. They've dealt with it many times. They got the air conditioner up and running and everything was fine Monday morning. But it just speaks to the challenges that this building presents from a maintenance perspective. So option a roof elevator hack.

00:12:50,270	We're looking at an estimate between 11 and almost $13 million. And that locks the door to the first floor. That really doesn't do anything with the space the county's vacating. So that's a that's a high number to start with. And so when we work up from there we're looking at other options.

00:13:06,130	Option B we're talking about the mechanical systems the elevator, the roof and then moving the commission chamber from the basement to the first floor. There's a portion of the first floor that has fewer columns than the rest of the building. So there would be a little better site line. It could accommodate about 150 people.

00:13:24,000	So a similar size for those that can see the screen. Yeah, that's essentially the southeast corner of the building. And if anyone's familiar with where the county recorder's office is today, that's a big part of the space that they occupy would become the commission chambers minor rearrangement to some of the departments within the building.

00:13:41,430	And we're talking 26 to $29 million for those changes. Option. See, this one gets creative. Option C considers removing a portion of the second floor. And you would say, well, why would you consider even trying that? Because then it provides a higher ceiling space within the commission chambers that is on the first floor, it a higher ceiling.

00:14:04,300	Why do you need a higher ceiling? Because then you can elevate the table, the dais where all the commission's would be sitting. It's not to provide any sort of intimidation, but it's it's a perspective for those that are sitting towards the back of the room. If that table is elevated, even 1 or 2 stairs.

00:14:19,670	Now you can start to see people across the entire room. And as a presenter standing at the podium, you're closer to eye level with the people that would be making decisions. So it's a it's an esthetic choice, but it's there's an intention behind it option. See also looks at shifting the front door to the south.

00:14:37,130	And because of the structural work, because of the reconfiguration of the second floor, we're talking somewhere between 35 and $39.4 million. That's a that's a big number, but it really keeps us in that location.

00:14:56,530	Option D and this is the one that seemed to get a little bit attention from not just the steering committee, but also the commission kind of gravitated towards this option as well. This considers, again, expanding on the half block or the quarter block south of us that is currently a parking lot, reconfiguring the entire building to the south side, now being the front door, and then adding on to the building

00:15:14,830	a proper commission chambers that has the appropriate height, windows technology, accessibility, safety, security. Cole Johnson with Endeavor North Design, who gave the presentation, talked about a secure line basically on every floor of the building, a place where the public is welcome, a place where they can engage with staff.

00:15:36,900	But beyond that secure line is where the office is and the resources that the employees would utilize. This option D accomplishes that in many ways because it adds a new front door, it adds a stair tower and an elevator corridor that then provides a small lobby area on every floor.

00:15:55,170	So when staff are in need to meet with the public, there's an area right off the elevator that makes that happen. Today, you're wandering through departments, you're in off of corridors and things like that. And it works, certainly, but we know that there are some efficiencies that could be done with this.

00:16:13,770	And so the the remaining portion of the empty lot or the parking lot south of us would then also become a public plaza. This then presents a very significant civic location, a civic space where you've got City hall, City Hall Plaza, you've got parking structure next to it, right at the intersection of Fifth and Broadway. This becomes an opportunity for public gatherings, activities, events.

00:16:36,430	None of that stuff has been designed or programed yet, but it creates the place for these things to start to happen. So. And Cole mentioned last night too, if I'm remembering correctly, that that additional space moving the chambers out that could facilitate other public events while keeping the remainder of the building locked down.

00:16:56,730	Yep, that's a great point. With a room this large, you'd want to be able to provide opportunities for more things than just government meetings. And so what what type of things might that be? We're not even sure yet. Maybe it's programing. Maybe it's community events on the weekends, I don't know.

00:17:12,470	But having the security and the technology to be able to keep the building safe but yet still have that other portion of I think we'd absolutely want to consider that. I was thinking of the Bismarck Historical Society in the monthly programing, and what a space that could provide to for us to record.

00:17:31,300	Well, and part of this design also creates what they're calling as Heritage Hall. Again, all of this is conceptual. It's to talk about, it's to get the ideas flowing.

00:17:48,130	But this idea of Heritage Hall on the first floor of this building becomes a space that's not just a lobby, but it's now an educational opportunity to share the rich history and the culture that Bismarck can celebrate over its 154 years. So as a as a member of the Bismarck Historical Society, I think they're kind of calling my name on this one. So but again, none of this has been finalized.

00:18:06,070	The purpose of this discussion last night was to show the commissioners what their options are. This option that we've been talking about, option D kind of fell in the the right, right range for feasibility when it comes to pricing. And the estimate was somewhere between 34 and 38 million.

00:18:26,100	Mayor Smith's challenged that a little bit and said, you know, what could you do for 30 and see how those designs are refined? But then and then option five, option E, we should talk about that. It was a consideration of a completely new city hall.

00:18:42,470	The city of Bismarck owns a vacant surface parking lot northeast of our building, at the corner of Fifth and Thayer, directly south of the Providence. For those of you can see, the Screen Provident is in the kind of the back background of the picture, but then in the foreground would be a brand new city hall. There would be parking underneath the building, about 38 stalls. Commission chambers off to the side and it would be a smaller footprint.

00:19:01,900	And Cole had explained the reason is because it could be designed more efficiently than the building that we've retrofitted. That was designed for a completely different purpose back in its day more than 100 years ago. So new construction range on that one was 46 to $50 million. These numbers are high. This is the world we're in.

00:19:24,070	This is construction. These are the materials and equipment, and we're paying talented people to do great things. And so here's the price consensus that I heard from the commission was, we can't just do the three things and then lock the first floor. That's not a good use of our time.

00:19:40,170	So option A off the table option that's too high of a price. We're not looking at building new because then we still have the responsibility of what do we do with our existing building. So we take option and option A off the table. Now we're down to BC and D.

00:19:59,000	Option B had kind of some potential modifications to the first floor. Option C was the one where we talked about removing the second floor. The group said that's not a real feasible option either. So now we're down to option B and option D. Option D is the addition where there would be a construction of a new chamber.

00:20:16,630	Option B would be retrofitting the first floor to have a commission chamber on the first floor. And so that's good direction for the design professionals. Now they can really focus on two of these concepts and start to get a little closer to the numbers of what it would actually be. Start to refine these designs.

00:20:34,170	We can ask more questions. The understanding that I have from the Commission is to return at the second meeting in August, and hopefully at that point, we can come back with a recommendation of here's the path that we think makes the most sense. Obviously, the Commission will make this decision and we will go from there.

00:20:53,600	I think the mayor and used both talked about it last night too, but bringing the financial picture to the table. How are we going to finance whatever option is eventually? Thank you for that. That's of course, part of all of this. We can't do anything without a budget.

00:21:12,430	And so we've been talking with our new finance director, our controller, certainly with the architects. They've been talking with general contractors. The numbers are what the numbers are. So how do we build a budget that we can represent that could not break the bank but yet still accomplish what needs to be done.

00:21:30,230	And so that'll be part of the charge over the next month is to come back with a proposal that the Commission can consider there. And if everything aligns, we'll keep working. And from there, all sorts of things unfold. So we could have an entire episode of just what happens if they say yes to option A or option B or so. Yes. Construction talked about that.

00:21:53,230	Do we stay in place during renovation? Would we move to a different location? There's an expense to that. There's a disruption of services. Where does commission meet during all of this? All sorts of things to consider. Lots. Yeah. Lots of choose your own adventure paths that we can take here. So we'll continue to work.

00:22:10,070	We're in great hands with the design team. This has been a lot of fun being a part of this. It's fun to dream about things, but I also understand these numbers mean something, and we can't just be throwing millions of dollars around like it's insignificant.

00:22:29,330	What I would like to to offer is that this investment into City Hall solidifies the city of Bismarck as a permanent tenant in downtown for many lifetimes into the future. I think that's a great position for us to take. I think it's important for us to be a good neighbor in downtown, and this really demonstrates that, and it encourages others to do the same with their properties.

00:22:47,700	So we'll keep working on it. We'll come back with recommendation that makes sense in the near future, and we'll see where the commission wants to take it. Speaking of budgets, the 2027 preliminary budget was brought to the table last night, eventually unanimously approved.

00:23:08,800	That doesn't mean changes won't happen, but just wanted to walk through the process and highlight some of the key things that were talked about last night. Yeah, definitely. So budget process really starts back in March and April with our fiscal services team putting together all the information that the departments need to build their requests for the year following. And keep in mind. Our budget cycle is calendar.

00:23:28,030	It runs from January through December. So we are budgeting essentially through December 31st of 2027, and we're doing that in July of 2026. So we're doing an 18 month forecast here. And we're by no means are we perfect, but we've been pretty consistent with our methodology here. And we'll continue to do that.

00:23:48,270	And so we have a budget committee, which is composed of the commissioner that holds the finance portfolio today. That is Mayor Schmitz, the finance director, Ryan Score, the assistant city administrator, Doug Wiles, and myself.

00:24:05,230	Of course, we bring in other staff, Eric Lund, our comptroller and a good host of the accountants from our fiscal services department, all work together. And one by one, the departments come through and present their requests for base budget adjustments, new employees, new equipment, capital improvements, fees and charges. All of it gets considered.

00:24:31,430	And the goal of last night was to develop and present a balanced budget that incorporates the prudent use of the resources that we have considering property tax, sales tax, certainly general fund departments, enterprise fund departments, which are those that generate their own revenue through fees, that would be the utility operations, the street lights and traffic signals, the airport. There's a number of them. Again, we could spend on another episode just talking about the budget.

00:24:51,070	But what were some of the highlights from the budget? Of course, we're capped at a 3% increase from year over year due to House Bill 1176 that was passed at the legislature in 2025. So we are proposing a budget increase of 3%. How does that mean everybody's taxes go up 3%? No, they're still valuations on property.

00:25:12,030	And all of this is involved. What it means is that our general fund budget cannot increase more than 3% year over year. And so when we talk about the general fund, we're basically collecting about 39,000, 39 million in property tax collections.

00:25:34,700	And then we have a number of other revenue streams, whether it be charges for services, investments on earnings, on investments that we have, and then, of course, licenses and permits and fees for services that we provide. The operating expenses, over 53% of our general fund budget goes to public safety, police, fire and 911 emergency communications. 53% $37.6 million goes to those three departments. From there.

00:26:04,400	Then we've got all the other general fund departments that include administration, HR, legal planning, building inspections, engineering, and they go on and on. So.

00:26:15,130	In a big part of the budget that goes towards all the general fund departments is essentially salaries and wages. As Eric Lund mentioned, our human capital is our biggest expense across the general fund because we are investing in people and paying them for their time to do the work that they provide.

00:26:33,670	So that doesn't change year over year. We've got 650 full time staff. We have a police department with 130 sworn police officers. You start to add those salaries up, those longevity, the benefits.

00:26:51,530	It's easy to understand where our where we're spending a lot of our money and it's on the people that are here to provide those services. So. What else would you like to know? We talked a little bit about the utility bill fees. I think there will be a general increase of around $3. And when we talk about the utility bill, it's everything. It's recycling.

00:27:09,570	It's your water consumption, it's your sewer, it's the street lights and traffic signals. It's the curb stop fee. All of that is part of your utility bill. The water utility is not a general fund department. In other words, the revenue it creates through monthly usage is what they use to operate day by day by day.

00:27:28,030	So when you say my property taxes are paying for the water, no, not really. Your consumption is what's paying for the water. And it encourage anybody to take a look at the breakdown on their utility bill. But we're very mindful that your over year those increases are manageable.

00:27:47,230	We don't want to be jumping 3,040% across the board with fees and charges. We want to be able to make small, incremental adjustments that are in line with a consumer price index adjustment year over year.

00:28:07,900	We believe that that helps people budget for their own households, their own properties, and for us, it it is predictable rather than oh gosh, is the city going to raise the rates this year? Well, yes we are, but it'll be a small amount to cover the increased cost that those departments or divisions are incurring as well. So. So last night the commission voted to accept the preliminary budget. And now I think it's the first meeting in September.

00:28:25,830	Some adjustments can be made not adding to the budget. Correct. But correct because we're capped at that 3% historically, that was the the expectation is that once you develop your preliminary budget, that was the highest amount you could collect or the highest budget you would set. Now we're just going up to 3%.

00:28:46,470	So there can be things taken out and added in, but it won't ever exceed that 3% cap that's set by the state. And essentially, you know, some changes will be adjustments will be made in the next coming weeks. But by September. I think September 8th is our public hearing. It's the first meeting in September.

00:29:03,970	So of course, we'll advertise that in the local paper and go through those steps. But that would be the public's opportunity to come forward and share their concerns, support questions. That's why we do that every year, to give everybody the chance.

00:29:22,430	And if they have questions about what's in the budget, I would encourage them to go to the city's website, get the agenda packet from last evening from the July 28th Commission meeting, all the material that was presented by the Comptroller and the finance director last night is attached to the agenda packet and scroll through it. There's a lot of information there, but if you have questions, reach out.

00:29:38,200	We'd be happy to explain some of those things and make sure everybody understands what it is we're recommending here. Just the final note. Toward the end of the meeting, Commissioner Risch brought up something I think you wanted to mention.

00:29:55,970	There's a couple of dumpsters, disposal units, one on the north end of town, one on the south end of town, where folks can take tree branches. Branches. Stumps and lives and things like that. But tree branches. Four inch diameter branches. And so in the past, for many of us, you may remember a time when the city would pick up what we called extras.

00:30:12,230	You could lay things next to your trash can on your pickup day, and our staff would jump out of the truck, pick it up and throw it in the back and carry on. Because our trucks are garbage, collection trucks have changed. They no longer make the style that we were using before.

00:30:25,130	We now have just one individual. In most trucks. That individual very rarely leaves the cab, so we're not picking up extras. So we've had a lot of calls. Hey, there was a windstorm. I've got some branches. What can I do with them? I don't want to take them to the landfill. I don't have a truck.

00:30:39,400	So Commissioner Risch worked with Steve Solway. Steve's our public works service operations director. We now have two locations as of Tuesday the 28th, where there are roll off dumpsters. One of them is on Santa Fe and South 12th Street down by Cottonwood Park.

00:30:56,200	The other one is up on Ash Coulee Drive, just west of North Washington Street near the water tower. For folks that are familiar with those sites, they are grass dump sites, but they are also the two sites where you can help yourself to wood mulch that the Forestry Division drops off. You can now drop your branches. Not tires. Not furniture. Not sure if this gets abused.

00:31:15,870	It's it's going to have to go away. But this is a service that we recognize was something that people appreciated in the past. We're going to try this out. And if people use it appropriately and respectfully, great. Now we all have a place to take our branches four inches in diameter or smaller.

00:31:32,500	Big stuff, big log stumps, all that. Still go to the landfill, but we'll report out on this. If it continues to work, that's great. And if we see a problem with it, it's probably going to have to go away.

00:31:49,600	As always, a number of street improvement projects taking place around the city just remind people then go to Bismarck Gov Slash, and then you get all the latest information about what's happening out there in the middle of this heat wave that we've all been experiencing for weeks. It seems it's summer. Seems like. Heat dome, I think is what I heard it described as. Yeah, it's. Literally just sitting sitting above.

00:32:08,270	And of course, if you want to watch last night City Commission meeting in full or scrub forward to your favorite place, you can download our app or go to Dakota Media Access and find any video. A number of videos on demand also invite you to listen to Radio Access 102.

00:32:26,200	5 FM on your radio dial, or also online at RadioAccess.org. We also have a Radio Access app so you can listen anytime, anywhere. So until next time, Jason, thanks for joining me. Have a great afternoon everyone. For more information on what was discussed in this episode of City Current, visit BismarckND.gov or call (701) 355-1300.

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