00:00:00,000	Yeah, it’ll be all right. He just did it. So excited to. Uh, the time is now 3 p.m. by the watch. The clock in the room. Today is Wednesday, March 18th, 2026. It’s 3 p.m.

00:00:30,900	, and we are in the Tom Baker meeting room and on zoom to conduct the regular meeting of the Historic Preservation Commission meeting. I’m Vice Chair Beth Nolan, sitting in for our chair. Engel, who cannot be here today, but she is with us on zoom. Thank you to Dakota media access for providing remote option for the HPC to meet and conduct our regular meeting.

00:00:48,000	And before we start, I want to remind everyone to please keep your microphone on mute. Unless you’re speaking. Silence your phones and try to adhere to the rules of order. If you’d like to speak, please raise your hand or please use the Raise Hand feature on zoom and you’ll be called on. Darcy, will you please call the roll? Commissioner Greg Zenker here.

00:01:07,100	Damita Engel here. Matthew Hall here. Kane. Perron here. John Swanson here. Beth Nolan here. Amy Saxon here. All right. Our first. We have quite a few things on our agenda. So I’m going to try and keep moving.

00:01:29,030	Our first agenda item is the meeting information that’s included in all of our, uh, agenda packets. And it’s just there for informational purposes. There’s no discussion or action needed for that. If you want more information, refer to the agenda packet. Item two is a public comment period. The city’s public comment policy is always included in the agenda packets.

00:01:50,400	If anyone is there anyone in the audience or online who would like to provide public input at this time? Nope, it appears not. Uh, hearing none, the time for public input is closed. The third item is the consideration of approval of the minutes for the meeting that was held on January 21st. There was no February meeting held.

00:02:16,130	So would anyone like to make a motion to approve the January minute? Motion to approve? I’ll second. We have a motion by Commissioner Hull and seconded by Commissioner Saracen. Uh, is there any discussion or corrections? Hearing none. Seeing none. Please call the roll. Darcy. Commissioner Greg Zenker. Yes. Tammy to Engel. Yes, Commissioner. Hull. Yes. Commissioner. Perron. Yes. Commissioner. Swanson. Yes.

00:02:50,100	And Commissioner Saracen? Yes. And vice chair. Nordlund. Yes. Motion passes. Okay, now we’re on to the regular agenda. And for, uh, item for a, we’re going to call Lauren to the podium. Welcome, Lauren. You can guide us through it. Uh, thank you, vice chair, Nordlund and commissioners.

00:03:13,070	Um, so what is included in your packet for this item here is discussing the 2024 Historic Preservation Fund grant specifically for the South Capitol Survey. Um, I will be adding some additional information. Um, that came up after this packet was sent to you. Um, so I’ll be included that towards the end of my discussion here.

00:03:37,130	So the Historic Preservation Commission previously reviewed the North Dakota Cultural Resource Survey site forms for the first 20 properties within this survey area in August 2025. Um, for content and quality control. Um, prior to those submittal items being provided to Shippo um, our consultant has recently submitted over 100 additional site forms. Um, to this commission for review.

00:04:04,330	mid-February. Um, any of the comments or corrections that were submitted by this commission? Um, were provided to the consultant at the beginning of March. Uh, the associated letter and table that the consultant provided for those additional site forms is included within the packet.

00:04:26,270	Uh, the remainder of the site forms will be submitted to this commission by the end of March. Uh, per the contract. Um, per the consultant’s letter, this area has a strong potential for becoming a National Register eligible historic district. Additionally, the highest percentage of sites that retain historic integrity date to the growing capital era. So 1898 to 1930.

00:04:52,500	Um, as I mentioned earlier, there’s an extra item that staff would like to bring up to the commission regarding this grant specifically for this project. Um, this will affect the noted recommendation. Recommended action that’s included within the memo. So staff did receive, uh, quotes for the brochures. Um, 4000 brochures for the baseball history brochure, including help with the layout was just under $1,900.

00:05:19,130	Uh, as such, and based on the other items under this grant, there is approximately $3,000 left to spend before the end of September. Um, a small amount of that may or may not be used to finalize some of the items for the local history kit, but not enough to utilize the remaining 3000.

00:05:41,670	Um, one idea to utilize those funds would be to have our consultant for the South Capital Survey provide an end of project presentation to the neighborhood in the community. Uh, additionally, staff could reach out to the Bismarck Historical Society or Dakota media access for help publicizing and recording that event.

00:06:04,070	Um, this would be a great opportunity, as I mentioned, to provide information to individuals in the neighborhood as well as, uh, providing information on what that process encompassed. The funds would be used to compensate the consultant for that additional work, which is in addition to the contract items for the survey.

00:06:31,200	Um, so the staff recommended action would be that the historic Preservation Commission utilized the remainder of the funds for this grant by having our consultant for the South Capitol Survey provided presentation on that survey. After the project is completed. Uh, question. Lauren. Um, I can’t remember.

00:06:52,000	Is there a report that will go with the, uh, the survey? Uh, they’ll go to Shippo or some sort of memo that can be on file. Uh, great question, Commissioner Hull. Vice chair. Commissioners. Um, so there will be a report as part of the contract. It will be provided to this commission prior to it being sent over to Shippo. All right. Perfect.

00:07:08,230	I’m just wondering for future guidance, because we have all this great information, you know, putting it all together, but making sure people, you know, later on have have that have access to it. Thank you. Okay.

00:07:26,700	I would like I would I’m curious if what is the dollar amount that that you believe will be left at the end of a minute? Okay. Uh, vice chair, uh, commissioners. Uh, it’s just over 3000. It’s totals out to about $3,154. Okay. And have you gotten. Are you, by your recommendation? Are you saying that that would go to the consultant for public presentation.? Based on. We have a bid on.

00:07:52,870	Or is that something that she’s provided as a cost for doing a public presentation? Uh, it was not a a quote or anything like that. Um, but there was an item noted as a potential option to extend within that contract. Um, for a presentation at the end. It just wasn’t included in the the original cost of that contract.

00:08:18,970	Is there any, um, is there any flyer or any brochure or any public document at the end of the project as a in addition to or aside from the shipper report? Uh, at this time, it was not part of that original contract.

00:08:47,000	It could be created as part of this additional item, if that’s the wish of the commission. So just a minute. So I think that the $3,000 to do a public presentation feels like a little much to me. And maybe the.

00:09:10,230	I mean, I don’t know what people are charging to do public history presentations right now, but maybe the, um, maybe it could be somehow a presentation and then a text or draft text that could be used for public document for this historic district, like we have done brochures for the other historic districts.

00:09:38,470	I’m just wondering if if there’s a way to take the basic information from the from the 106 report and create some kind of a public document so that if there is a public meeting that there’s some kind of takeaway or something for the public about that potential district. So does anyone have any? Just a minute. Did you, uh, yes. Commissioner Sachs.

00:09:56,200	Commissioner Nordlund and commissioners, um, would you remind us again what the, um, project was? What was bid for the project so that we know how much the contractor was being paid for? How many. Houses? Uh, Commissioner Sachs, vice chair, commissioners. The project has a contract amount of 15,000. Okay. Thank you. Commissioner Hull. Yeah.

00:10:22,330	Trying to build on your point, um, because, yeah, 3000 might be a bit more much for just presentation of, like, maybe she, uh, maybe contractor could work with Kaitlyn on doing, like, a on a beefy social media post, because the whole point would be trying to get this information out to the public. You know, between those two that might, you know, be a good amount for $3,000.

00:10:44,170	Does anyone else have a comment or question? Or idea of another way to use these funds if it’s not related to this particular project? Well, it seems to me that we get to a brochure eventually, so why not start doing it now while all the top.

00:11:04,970	Do you mean to do a general one from what she’s found, or to do one that’s more like the other historic district? Uh, you know, the other ones are. We already have the district. This one. We don’t have that yet. What would be the difference? The district? Well, yeah, that.

00:11:27,930	What would be the difference? From one brochure to the next? I don’t know. I mean, I think we have a format. We have an idea. And, you know, the work, the work has been done. So, I mean, it might be even just worth the paying to draft the to the public presentation and the text to a draft. I.

00:11:47,200	Commissioner Norman, um, commissioners, um, it seems to me that when we did, um, Highland Acres, there was a bunch of stuff in advance of the walking tour map that actually helped build that walking tour map down the road that, um, I believe was put together for the CLG conference and some things like that.

00:12:13,870	There was a significant amount of of summary information from the information gathered during the inventory survey. And this sounds as if maybe that’s more what you have in mind.

00:12:41,170	Um, because if we don’t know until it’s all done, whether there’s actually a district there, then I don’t know that we should be anticipating, um, that automatically. It’s a lot more it’s a lot of work to put those together. Certainly much more work than than, um, I think.

00:13:10,830	that we should be asking here, but that other summary information, such as we got from Metcalfe and, um, Miss Saracen when they did the CLG stuff and when they did the Highland Acres inventory seems as if it would would be very similar to what you would be suggesting. Yeah. Because I can’t remember what we paid for that drafting of that text on those two. But it was about in that range, wasn’t it? Or so I, I don’t know, that’s just an idea.

00:13:29,800	I mean, does anyone have any other projects that they would be interested in? Discussing for this, for these funds? Question. Commissioner Hull. Uh, Lauren, do is the money have to get spent out of the city? We’ll say bank account by September. Okay. All right. Thanks.

00:13:52,670	Does that limit our options? If we have to have something that already already prepped and ready, I’d say. Okay, so we’re going to come to an agenda item later. That is a historic preservation month where we have several activities to discuss. And then we are we are also having our, uh, our home builders show.

00:14:15,100	And so I guess my question would be not to jump ahead to those that, uh, agenda item numbers, but are there any costs related to any of that that we could use this for, for any of those potential projects? Uh, Commissioner Nolan, uh, and other commissioners, uh, regarding the home show, specifically, um, the we have pretty much everything ready to go, and everything’s been

00:14:41,430	purchased for that already. Okay, how about Preservation Month? We have a bulleted list of things that we had talked about doing. Events and videos and movie nights and coloring pages and promotions. Commissioner.

00:15:31,530	I mean, the more I think about having, as you were saying, a takeaway from a public thing that is not inappropriate given the precedent we have with the CLG conference and having information set up. If it is a way to make, um, you know, if there’s a public there’s a public meeting anyway, then maybe having seeing if the contractor has the ability to. , to. Put something together seems maybe more like, let’s get that package cleared off.

00:16:05,570	Yeah. You know, then trying to find another, another one because I don’t we don’t have any particular plans set for the May preservation month. So we don’t know what our cost might be with, with that. And they sometimes we don’t use much. So I don’t know.

00:16:33,900	What I, I like the idea of having if, if it’s about that project because right now the document that’s being created is technical. It’s a, it’s a compliance report. It’s not a public, public document.

00:16:50,470	So if we’re going to have a public meeting and talk to the public about this potential new historic district, a public facing document that talks to the neighborhood and to the community, that seems like it would be helpful. Was that done for the Highland Acres? I believe it was. We had. Halloween. The nomination or. Even preceding it. We had several meetings with the neighborhood that required information being distributed to them. Right.

00:17:18,230	But we don’t know if the I just I feel uncomfortable with that much for a public presentation that feels like I don’t know of any other presenter that has gotten that kind of funding.

00:17:44,570	So if our consultant is willing to do that, um, he’s willing to create a public facing document and a presentation for that amount of money. Does everybody feel comfortable with that? I mean, or. Could I suggest that we table this until we get to the item on the agenda, and then we’ll see what the you know, what the may Preservation month? I don’t do that request. You need to make a motion or. Yeah. Commissioner.

00:18:05,700	I move that we table this discussion until we get to the agenda item. Second. We have a motion to table this discussion from Commissioner Saxton or Swanson to second, from Commissioner Hall. All in favor? Darcy, can you call the. Roll? Commissioner Engel. Yes. Oh, yes. Perron. Yes. Swanson. Yes. Saracen. Yes. Zenker. Yes. And vice chair. Nordlund. Yes.

00:18:41,970	Motion is passed, so we’ll come back to that. Lauren, is there anything else on that point you need right now? So the other elements of that didn’t need any action, right? Okay. Correct. Okay.

00:19:02,800	So I want to I want to say one thing about it that I just think is really interesting that, um, it turning out that there’s this huge percentage of residences in this era, in this capital growing city era is an opportunity for us. And I just want to have everybody kind of think about that.

00:19:21,530	If there’s 66 residents, I mean, this is a period of Bismarck’s history that is not very well known at all. And I think it’s a great opportunity for us as an HBC to, um, help with this, with the public message, even beyond a public meeting like this is a key point in Bismarck’s history.

00:19:43,930	When we built a lot of our important buildings, when we were a transportation hub for the region, um, there was a lot going on. We were this was the period of time we were in prohibition the whole time. And it was, um, there was a there was a lot going on. And we this is her results are giving us a really, um, amazing resource to share historic preservation message, especially in this year.

00:20:07,030	Um, and so I just, you know, I think this we have a great opportunity, um, to share a lot of information about Bismarck coming out of this report. And I’m looking forward to. It. So, hey, Lauren, do you want to go on to for B.

00:20:25,130	Thank you, vice Chair Nolan and commissioners, um, this is an update on the downtown district survey. So the city has a signed contract with Graham Pape, uh, to conduct the class three architectural survey for the downtown district, uh, part of the contract there date to begin work is next Wednesday, March 25th.

00:20:43,730	Um, staff will begin compiling information, and we’ll send that over to them. Um, staff is also working on creating a public notice postcard for property owners. So they’re aware of what’s going on in the area. Uh, as well as attaching a questionnaire, um, which can be attached to those site forms for those areas.

00:21:02,970	Um, this worked really well for our South Capitol survey. We did get some responses and photos and historic information from property owners. So it’s a great opportunity, especially for this downtown core area. Um, the consultants have indicated that they intend to begin survey work for the property’s mid-April.

00:21:26,470	Um, part of the contract includes hosting and an initial public meeting that the consultants will be part of. Um, through discussions with the consultants. Uh, they had a question if the commission wanted to host that public meeting at the April regular historic preservation meeting on April 15th, or if there is a preference to have a standalone meeting held at a different time.

00:21:51,130	There’s pros and cons to both options. Um, staff did also reach out to the downtown owners, since they’re a little bit more in the know. Uh, with the the property owners within the survey area. Um, and it was mainly for help identifying potential preferences for property owners in case anyone’s interested in asking questions or providing information during that time.

00:22:12,870	Um, they have indicated that early morning meetings, um, or evening meetings are usually best for property owners in that area. The consultants are fine with either option unless there’s a preference from this Historic Preservation Commission. Staff will work with the consultants to pick a date.

00:22:39,070	Um, and then the staff will then notify this Historic Preservation Commission for that. Uh, additionally, if any member of this commission has information that would be relevant to the project, any historical photos, notes, anything like that that they’d be willing to share? Um, staff would suggest providing that earlier in the process. Uh, no action is recommended of this commission at this time for this item.

00:23:02,500	Thanks, Lauren. So do you guys have a quick preference on whether or not we do it during the afternoon with with us as part of our, with our meeting? Or if we do it early morning or evening. Anyone? Else? Commissioner? Hell yeah.

00:23:24,100	I’d say it’s like based on getting more, more feedback from, you know, property owners. Like I’d let you know, defer to them choosing either evening or morning. I just don’t think I think we’ll get less. Less information, less feedback. If it’s tied in with our meeting. Anyone else? Commissioner Swanson. Hi. Can I say something? Commissioner Engel. Chair. Engel.

00:23:47,900	Hi. Thank you. Um, we had really good luck with the Highland Acres survey. Um, in the evenings. Um, at the locations of the, uh, at the schools, uh, in that neighborhood so that the the surrounding landowners could be there.

00:24:10,070	Um, so I think we should probably focus on, on an evening one, maybe at the, the library or something, or maybe even a couple of them. That would be good. Will more.. Anybody else have a comment? Commissioner Hall? Yeah. Uh, maybe if, um, if we’re going to do two, maybe try one morning or one evening in case the evenings just no go for some folks or vice versa.

00:24:35,970	Okay. Lauren, does that give you enough to go on? Uh, vice chair? Commissioners? Yes it does. Um, the. Per the contract, there’s only one public meeting hosted with our consultants, but staff. And if any commissioners would like to help run an additional public meeting, that could also be another option. Commissioner Zenker. Vice chair and commissioners.

00:25:02,470	So I. If we only got one, then I suggest we just do it at an evening thing and do it at the library and move on. Yeah. Okay. All right. We will move on to four. See? Uh, vice chair and commissioners. May is historic Preservation month.

00:25:31,130	The Historic Preservation Commission participates every year in celebrating and promoting this occasion in Bismarck. Last year, the commission created a small local exhibit on Bismarck. Literature. They partnered up with the State Historical Society to provide a workshop and presentation.

00:25:56,070	Um, and they also helped promote the Bismarck Historical Society’s Founders Day event, a copy of last year’s flyers included um for this agenda item. Uh, there’s a list of some potential activities for consideration for this year. Um, as well as potentially, uh, redoing what was done last year for some of those items.

00:26:14,400	Um, and that’s included within your memo, based on the time and coordination that was needed for last year’s activities, it would be best to determine some potential activities early on so staff has some additional time to coordinate those items. Additionally, this year is a special year. It’s the 250th anniversary of the United States.

00:26:38,800	Uh, the state, along with the city, local businesses, other community groups, um, are already planning and hosting several events and activities throughout the year. Um, some of these may or may not be held in May. Um, but it could be a potential opportunity to help promote some of those events. Uh staff recommends discussing and providing direction on how the commission would like to celebrate Historic Preservation Month. Thank you. Lauren. All right.

00:27:00,130	Um, I first of all, volunteer my window. If anyone wants to do a display again. Um. And I feel like. I guess I have a question. Do we have any. Have we had any communication with anyone at the state Historic Preservation Office about doing a workshop? Again? Uh, vice chair and commissioners? Not at this time, no. Okay.

00:27:25,230	Does anyone else have a comment on this bulleted list or any other ideas? Commissioner Zuckerman? Yeah. Vice chair. Allen. Commissioners. Um, if this would. probably be the time for somebody to come up. If we were to do a window, if there might be a theme or something that we could throw out. Now to. think about.

00:27:54,030	Because, I mean, it’s always a it it we always use that window. It always works. People pay attention to it and all that. But there has to be something. Um, riveting. Uh, vice chair and Commissioner Saracen and commissioners, uh, Commissioner Zenker brought it up several times during this meeting, but the city recently purchased a 1926 fire truck

00:28:22,870	from the city of Bismarck. And I know the Bismarck Historical Society has done a presentation regarding the history of the fire department in Bismarck. It could be an opportunity to utilize previous information for a window. Lauren. Commissioner, Nordland. Um. I am sure that the fire department has artifacts.

00:28:54,870	If we did the window to somehow recognize the history of fire and fire and Bismarck and fire fighting in Bismarck, they would certainly be able to help with that. And I think that might call attention highlight. the the fire engine. So that might be a logical subject. Yeah. Commissioner Saxon, are you volunteering to put the exhibit together? Well, we’ll.

00:29:30,000	See. We’ll see. We’ll see. All right. We’ll work on that one. Okay. Commissioner Hall. Vice chair and commissioners. Uh, perhaps we could also reach out to historical society. You know, if they’ve got any artifacts they’d be willing to loan for an exhibit. I don’t know if they would play in a public space. I don’t.

00:29:49,830	Yeah, they don’t say that before. Okay. But but perhaps from the presentation, we could get good pictures that we could blow up, and we could get the text information and other things and make it interesting. Vice Chair Nordland.

00:30:11,800	I was at the presentation that they did for Bismarck Historical Society from the on the history of the department, and I think they have a lot of photographs they have. I think, more than any of us know or knew, until they gave that presentation. It’s just like, has all this have all these photographs been sitting there? And I’m a photo archivist, you. Know. And we don’t know about them.

00:30:29,970	This might be a chance to find out what photographs they have, because there are many more fires than in Bismarck than. We. Yeah. So all right, I think that that’s all right, that that’s a good one for the window or for the display, potentially. That adds to this event promoting the fire tech.

00:30:53,730	Um, I think it’s pretty easy to, to say that we would help others promote, like Founders Day. And there are other events and activities and projects. Um, I guess the social media post one seems to have been fairly easy in the past to do so. We could do that again. Um.

00:31:16,400	I don’t know about the scavenger hunt and or the how to workshop, because that would involve, um, other people stepping up to volunteer for those, um, I don’t I guess I’d the coloring pages one seems like it would be fairly easy and would go with our coloring book project, the fire tech, and then the, uh, um, host a documentary movie night.

00:31:37,870	So there’s kind of three that are hanging out there that would need someone to take charge of them. The a documentary movie night. Um, a how to workshop and a scavenger hunt. Anyone have any comments on those or want to volunteer? Commissioner. I got comment.

00:32:00,670	Uh, vice chair and commissioners of, um, maybe working with the library and having a, uh, you know, because they have, like, ghost hunting kits and, you know, fishing gear and, you know, just interesting random stuff that you can check out, maybe having a special historic Preservation Month item that they can, you know, have on their windows,

00:32:14,030	like, hey, you know, we’ve got special thing one month only and that could deal with, you know, maybe some sort of scavenger hunt. And if, you know, if we’ve got 3000, you know, going back to what we tabled, you know, if we got $3,000 burn, we can, you know, siphon a little bit that off

00:32:28,470	for, I don’t know, some sort of historic, you know, prize for those that complete a scavenger hunt or something, you know, to help offset costs. And I’m getting looks. So maybe that’s a bad idea. Commissioner Saracen, I’m wondering what.

00:32:44,400	What is? Have you put together any of the kits for the library or kits that. What would this entail? Well, the kits themselves. We are in the process of building, collecting the material and developing the the scripts. But I mean, like a scavenger hunt. Scavenger hunt? We don’t have a scavenger hunt in there. It’s not, it’s not.

00:33:07,400	I’ve done it in the past for Bismarck Historical Society. We did a scavenger hunt where I had, um, we put together a sheet of of of photographs, and they had to locate those photographs, you know, locate the building on which those photographs appear, or that plaque was or something like that.

00:33:30,470	That’s I mean, I’d probably still have that one lying around. I believe at the time we we gave a $50 gift certificate or $50 cash to Delaney Olson, who won. But we took those.

00:33:57,070	And to into the, um, North Dakota studies classes specifically and had those teachers distribute them in the kids who are actually, you know, was it was enhancing that curriculum. Um, but that’s not a that’s not a real time consuming one. So could it be done in the next month? Because yes. I’m. Yes. I would think so. Vice chair, Northland and Commissioners. Uh, just to note, the the 2024 grant money would not be able to be utilized as the prize money for the scavenger hunt.

00:34:23,230	Okay. But. Printing. But printing the the sheets or printing whatever had to be done that that could probably because if it’s promoting historic sites around Bismarck, we could check on that if that would be. Allowed. Does anyone have any interest in the movie night or the how to workshop or.

00:34:53,000	Lauren, is there anybody who has approached us from outside interested. In that? Uh, at this time? Uh, vice chair and commissioners know, uh, I will say the coloring page one potentially of the fire truck. There’s a potential option where we could do that in houses. Staff. Um, regarding the history documentary or movie night, the library does host movie nights.

00:35:19,030	That could be an option to cross promote for that. The BSc or the Career Academy could help with that to doing sketches for the art students. They could just simply do line drawings. And then it’s a coloring book. Anyone else have any other History Month ideas that aren’t on the list? Oh.

00:35:48,630	Uh, vice chair, um, didn’t we do we do something from a commission city commission perspective? Did we highlight that? Yeah. So instead of maybe doing it in May, because the way the meetings fall in April, we could do at the, at the last one, which would be the 28th or whatever. Okay.

00:36:08,900	Let’s see what else did. Last year there was a the wallpaper. Uh, demonstration. The our our meeting, our our May meeting, uh, can be on there as well. Uh, there was a couple of podcasts and, um, deep books, Dakota Day books that were on the list.

00:36:34,070	So I don’t know if there are those that are related to Bismarck that we could. Uh, vice chair and commissioners, the Dakota date books were, um, a part of the State Historical Society’s celebration of Historic Preservation Month. And one of our promotion items. Okay. Commissioner Hall. Vice chair and commissioners.

00:36:58,070	Um, I could reach out to someone at historical society, see if there are any other demonstrations they want to do. You know, rather than just repeat of what happened last time.

00:37:13,130	Um, or if there are other tie in events that they would, you know, in case there are other, you know, Dakota date books that we can, you know, um, cross market, I guess, for lack of a better term. Okay. And I guess I’ll let you know what I hear back. Lauren. Okay. Thanks. Is there or is there someone doing any demonstration at the, uh, home builders? Uh, vice chair and commissioners. So, uh, we do.

00:37:38,670	We’ll have a monitor with recorded, um, demonstrations going on during that. Um, there was a couple things. Why we decided not to do it in person. Um, there was just some restrictions with the actual home show. And what you can can’t do. Uh, for that. Okay. Yeah. I was just curious.

00:37:57,470	If you had somebody, what would be the chance of doing the, uh, fire, fire truck again or doing the fire department? Uh, presentation? Do you think someone would do. It? We’re. Are you. The one that was given. Earlier? Yeah. I was talking in May. Okay. Because the homebuilder shows like Friday or Saturday this weekend.

00:38:21,000	So if you’re trying to put something together for that. Okay. No, no, I just wondered because we had pre we’d, we had previously talked about someone doing a demonstration there. So I wondered if they could just take that and do it again in May. But but it’s the same question for the fire department presentation.

00:38:37,830	Would they do that in May for a different audience? They might, though it was filmed as part of the Bismarck Historical Society. Um, archiving, uh, Dakota media access films. All those talks. And so they play repeatedly. I mean, that’s that’s something, um, that theoretically, if there were a I can’t see them doing it at the library, but play play one off otherwise.

00:39:06,130	But I think during the whole month, I think we can consider that those, um, that Dakota on, on community access, all those historic talks from the last number of years are playing all the time anyway, so can count that.

00:39:26,530	As maybe we could find when that fire one is happening and then we could put that on our list and see if we’re tied into the display. Could we. , could we ask Dakota media access for, um, a, a time list of one things they’re playing so that we could call that out rather than people just happen to catch it? Yeah.

00:39:45,930	Um, if you called it out and we’ve had it available, uh, or posted it, that that would be a way to get it. And we could put that in the window display to when, when things would be showing for people to look at. Okay. So there’s a list.

00:40:06,070	Can we go move forward with that and then come back and solidify next, next month and our next meeting. And just make sure everybody’s got everything organized that we need. Is that okay? Does that sound good to everybody? Because I don’t think, well, we still haven’t spent any of that additional, um, leftover grant money.

00:40:29,500	I mean, I get I get that we don’t chair or vice chair island commissioners. I mean, I understand we haven’t spent it, but the other thing is, if we don’t have a quality project, I mean, we don’t have to do that either, right? So I’m going to

00:40:41,830	go back to are we back on that topic? Because I got a couple things that pops into my head. So when we got the the original contract from the consultant, was there a was there a voluntary ad to do a, um, a presentation at the end.

00:41:01,470	That there was a voluntary note, uh, that was included in their scope of services, if time permitted, time permitted, and funds permitted to. Make. Sure was there a dollar amount that they had for that. They it was not included at. That time. Okay.

00:41:17,170	So I don’t think I mean, just based on conversation, it doesn’t appear to me that you’re, you’re suggesting to give the entire $3,000 to that. I think we have to go back to them and ask them for what they add, alternate or add to that contract would be before we could make that decision. Right. Change order. Thanks. Um, so, I mean, it might come back at six, $700.

00:41:32,930	I don’t know what those things cost either, so we need to get a get an idea. I do think that three grand is too much, right? And if and if we’re using that, um, and if it’s a practical cost and it, it just ties into closing out that, that scenario

00:41:48,470	or that contract, I think we should do that. Um, but it needs to be an understandable cost. Right. So I think we should actually have Lauren reach out to the consultant and say, hey, how much is this going to be? Um, watch the meeting, because we’re not going to give you three grand

00:42:03,970	and then give us a, give us a about what? You know, what that would cost because there’s extra time effort in those types of things. Right. Those are all valuable times. Always valuable. So. And then we could still bring that back in April and make that decision right.

00:42:21,030	And I. And how about if if in case that the consultant comes back with a lower amount that all of us try and brainstorm an idea or two between now and the April meeting of if if there is still, um, what are some other things that are potentially we could do? How about that? A small things.

00:42:39,670	I think we might mention to the I mean, if, if, if we, if we’re talking to the consultant to inquire, well, the public presentation would be one thing. But if you could put together a small summary for public distribution, what would that, you know, have it as a. Two. , two separate things.

00:43:02,270	So here’s the list of options. Yeah. What are we doing. What do we got going on. Right. Yeah I do I do like the brochure idea just because it’s a fantastic quick opportunity. Hey, this is what we’ve done. This is this is what you have going on. Um.

00:43:14,570	Read it, research it, have some fun with it type of thing. And anything we can get, um, from that era, um, per the pre prohibition comment and those types of things, anything we can get to our school systems I mean is is huge as well, right? Because they’re all Bismarck kings at this time and and it

00:43:34,330	might intrigue someone. Uh, history buff or whatever, you know type thing. So thank. You, Commissioner Stevenson. I had a question about, uh, do we anticipate any additional costs with the two surveys that are going on with Emily or Saracen? The secretary survey and the downtown ers? Are they going to be at the downtown?

00:43:56,070	Are there going to be additional cost? Uh, I, Commissioner Swanson, vice chair and commissioners, those have a set amount in their contract. Um, it would need to come to this board or the city commission, depending on the amount or or change of scope that would occur.

00:44:12,900	Uh, it would also need to just be taken to the state as well, since it’s third grant funding. Um, just for concurrence with any decision that gets made. I would just concern if we have a reservoir of money left, you know, I mean, if something might come up at the toward the end.

00:44:29,800	It’s just we have to have it spent by September, right? Yeah, right. But all right, I think that gives you direction. And we’ll come back next month and with some ideas, if that those don’t work. All right. Let’s move on to our next. There’s no other action item for that. So let’s move on to forward I guess.

00:44:47,370	Agenda item five is other business. Lauren. Uh, back again. Uh, vice chair and commissioners, I have two items under here. There’s no action for these items. Just giving you some updates.

00:45:09,730	Uh, so there are a few different digital resources that the Historic Preservation Commission has available on their website, including talking trails and the digital versions of the online map. Um, stop staff thought it would be helpful to get the commission give the commission an update on a couple of those resources. So there was discussion in 2025 by this commission about the renewal or non-renewal of the talking trails.

00:45:27,400	Resource staff did reach out to them at the beginning of 2026. Um, noting that the that we were not able to renew that resource for a couple different reasons. Um, in response, they offered the Historic Preservation Commission a free year to work on increasing the views, which was one of those reasons.

00:45:47,670	Um, for that resource, especially since they just started, uh, a new, uh, a new marketing strategy, uh, and display strategy for those items. Um, so they wanted to provide a free year to see if any changes could be made for that resource. Um, the digital versions of the downtown and the cathedral area tour brochures.

00:46:12,730	Uh, just an update on view numbers for those, since it’s a little bit easier to calculate that than the hard copy versions. Um, so the Downtown tour brochure has over 715 views within its lifetime. Um, with 622 of those occurring within the past 12 months.

00:46:33,870	Um, that was created in April 2024, with it being provided out to the public a few months after that. Um, the digital version of the Cathedral Area tour brochure has over 350 views in its lifetime, and it was created in March 2025. Um, and was made publicly available a few months after that time. So just an update on those few resources there. Uh, these second item under. Before you.

00:46:59,200	Go on. I think Commissioner Zechariah’s something about talking trails. Or something. So thank you, Vice Chair and Commissioners. Lauren. So here’s what I think we should do if if that walk, that talking walking trail scenario, um, we should put that back in our historic preservation month in May and try to market that somehow.

00:47:18,470	Right. Because those are kind of cool. Now, not everybody does it every day. I get that. But there’s got to be a way that we can, um, elaborate on that piece and highlight it, so to speak, because we don’t we don’t want that to go away.

00:47:32,870	We want to figure out a way to keep those tools and enhance those tools for for the future. So it’s my opinion. I mean, you can tell me I’m wrong. My wife does all the time, but that’s great. Let’s add that to our list. Uh, we’ll do, uh, thank you, Commissioner Zenker. Um, the second item under other business is the 2026 Home Show.

00:47:54,200	Just giving you guys an update. It, uh, it will be hosted, uh, Friday and Saturday this week. Um, uh, Friday, it’ll be open from 3 to 8 p.m. and 9 to 5 on Saturday. I believe there’s a small entrance fee. Um, for anyone wishing to attend.

00:48:13,330	Um, we do have quite a few resources ready to go for that. So we have a flyer in the National Register of Historic Places and what that listing does and does not do. Uh, flyer on potential funding resources for historic buildings, um, copies of several preservation briefs, depending on what comes up.

00:48:34,770	So maintenance of buildings, windows, porches, etc.. Um, a brochure on historic home maintenance and rehabilitation information, including resources on where to find tradespeople to do certain items. Um, our historic district walking tour brochures. Um, we’ll have all three of those out and ready to go. Um, we’ll have some of the timeline books. However, we’re really low on that resource.

00:48:57,270	So we’ll also have our digital QR code for that resource. Um, we have a, uh, we’ll have a couple of the draft copies of the Land Development Code. It does have a bit of mention for, uh, how how historic resources would be affected and what that review might look like. So it’s there just in case.

00:49:19,700	Um, Commissioner Akerson did create some bookmarks for that event, so we’ll have those ready to go. And we do have some fresh HPC banners ready to go showcasing some of our achievements. Um, what we’re looking to promote, uh, all that information, um, Commissioner Saxon was able to, uh, acquire a rather large photo of the cathedral area.

00:49:43,070	So we’ll be having that there as well. And then, as I mentioned earlier, we’ll also be showing, um, on a smaller monitor, some rehabilitation videos for windows, doors, uh, all that good stuff. So we’re ready to go. We got lots of information. Very excited to do that. Uh, Vice Chair and commissioners.

00:50:04,600	And so I would recommend that we get as many photo ops as we can over the weekend. So that way we can, uh, push that out, too. During during May. So our historic preservation month, because it’s going to be fresh, it’s going to still be out there and there’s going to be a ton of resources there. So.

00:50:23,700	Lord, can. you add those things that you mentioned to our to our promotional thing, like, I don’t know if it’s in one line that says, you know, many resources, new resources are available. for homebuilders and renovators. Uh. Or something. Vice chair and commissioners.

00:50:45,470	Um, so with these resources, um, staff personally has created several of them. Um, what we can do is, uh, include them on our historic preservation web page on the City of Bismarck website.

00:51:06,470	Um, and, uh, last year we did create a specific QR code on that flyer that links to a much more comprehensive list of different resources and activities and items so that we can include it there or some other way, however it would fit into that flyer. Yeah. That’s great, because that’s. A lot of. Information, new information for. People. Very cool. Um, excuse me, Lauren, do you have you have all of the videos, um, already lined up or you. Uh, I’m, I’m finalizing those.

00:51:31,130	I don’t have them fully. I do have, uh, what you sent me, so I’ll be finalizing what those are. Oh, okay. Don’t use the fire. Track. Commissioner. Nordlund. Commissioners? Um, yeah, the photograph that Lauren referenced is something like six by four. Wow. Um, I have I have a son in law with a truck.

00:51:55,700	Thank heavens, because it didn’t fit very well in my car. Um, but it does show, um, the it was being thrown away in the hallway at the Heritage Center had been used as a display, and it shows the block of Avenue B between Mandan Street and Washington Street.

00:52:22,730	The north side, before Jerry Wilcox house was even built on the corner of Washington. So it’s like 1916, something like that. And it’s it’s very large. But the amusing thing and the reason that it’s kind of appropriate for this is that there’s a big thing on it that says renovations of older homes has become a popular thing.

00:52:44,770	So like the script is all there on it. But I took, um, comparison photographs that are blew up to to go with it. That will show the same view now with the trees this big that are like a.

00:53:12,900	stick and more trees, and the fact that the corner house is essentially as it was, the second house in has been extensively remodeled so that it’s looks completely different. And then the middle, the house in the middle of the block has had a sensitive remodel. So you have kind of a wonderful example of, um, what people actually doing home building and doing remodeling might see as options to follow options, perhaps that don’t look quite as.

00:53:46,030	attractive on the street. So it’s kind of a interesting it just happened to be there, you know. Do this. Don’t do that. Is that. Yeah. We don’t have to say you don’t have to say it. It says. It right there. But but it’s it’s just it’s just an interesting comparison.

00:54:02,530	One that as we’re trying to be visible and we’re trying to be relevant, that that seemed to tie in. Yeah. We’re gonna make a social media post out. Of that first. I just have. To figure it. Yeah. I just have to figure out how to get it down there. Anything else on the.

00:54:24,970	Home show? Anybody else have a comment on? Is there any other. Other business from the commissioners? Anita, do you have any other. Other business? Nope. No other business things. Commissioner Zucker, did you have something else to add? Okay. All right. Well, hearing hearing no other business. Uh, this meeting is adjourned.

00:54:56,570	The next regular Historic Preservation Commission meeting is April 15th at 3 p.m. here in the Tom Baker Room and online through Dakota media access.