00:00:09,570	Welcome to the Historic Preservation Commission meeting. The time is now 3 p.m.. Um, today is June 17th, and we are meeting at the Tom Baker room. Unless I said that already, which I probably totally did. Uh, Darcy, can you please call the roll.? Commissioner Sakariassen. Here. Commissioner Nodland here. Commissioner Zenker here. Commissioner Hull here. Commissioner. Perrin here.

00:00:38,430	Commissioner Swanson and chair Engel here. All right. Um, starting with the historic preservation report. Um, all of the section 106 reviews are in your packet. Uh, for perusal. Um, and we’ll move on to the approval of the meeting. Minutes for last meeting. I need to approve. Second. All right. We have a motion and a second.

00:01:11,000	Any discussion? Corrections? Hearing none. Please call the roll. Um, Commissioner Zenker. Yes. Nodland. Yes. Perrin. Yes. Hull. Yes. Swanson. Yes. Sakariassen. Yes. And chair. Engel. Yes. All right. Motion passes. Thank you. Um, moving on to the public comment period.

00:01:41,000	Um, we have a presenter in the audience and one visitor, but I don’t think there’s anybody here that wants to present. Is there anybody online? There’s no. Okay. Hearing none. Um, the public comment period will be closed, and we will move into the 2020 four Historic Preservation Fund grant update from Lauren. Good afternoon, chair, Engel and commissioners.

00:02:10,770	Um, this meeting will be a little bit longer than last month, so sorry about that in advance. Um, South fork Historical research, the consultant for our South Capital Survey project has submitted the report for review. Um, our consultant is here in the audience for any questions. Um, information on the project was included in your packet. Um, the consultant has also provided recommendations for further work in that area.

00:02:33,770	Uh, revised scope of work and contract amendment was signed by the city in the consultant for that additional work for that presentation and public summary document as requested by this commission. Uh, at their April 2026 meeting. Um, the presentation is scheduled for August 12th of this year at 6:30 p.m.

00:02:56,170	at the Bismarck Veterans Memorial Public Library, 515 North Fifth Street. For anyone online. And it’s in meeting room a, um staff recommends reviewing and providing feedback on the submitted draft survey to the consultant. Um, and like I said, if the consultant, uh, the consultants here, if you guys have any questions related to that report. Thanks. All right. Welcome. Chair Engel and commissioners.

00:03:28,230	Thank you. Um, happy to be here. And I did provide a few visual aids, um, for sort of a summary of the survey results. Um, however, I know that you have all had a copy of the draft, which was also submitted to Shippo for their review just to try to keep things going concurrently.

00:03:49,030	And, um, sort of for the, um, most efficient review. I can hope for. Uh, so just a review of the goals of this project. Um, the purpose of the inventory was to determine whether or not there was an eligible National Register of Historic Places district in the what’s called the South Capitol neighborhood.

00:04:10,900	And if so, what those boundaries might be, what would be considering considered contributing or non-contributing? Um, do I control. This here? Okay. Let’s work it.

00:04:37,200	Um, and then, just because I know that people watch this at home, um, I thought I would just put in a little information about what we’re talking about here as a historic district. So historic districts are concentrations of historic places that have some kind of relationship to one another. Um, either a concentration or continuity of sites, building structures that, um, are unified historically or aesthetically. And they drive their importance. Uh, significant statement would have to do with these as a whole.

00:05:07,500	And a district boundary could also happen to include properties that are not contributing to that history. Um, contributing properties would date to the determined period of significance for the neighborhood, district, and contributing properties would have to have enough of its physical, um, architecture. Its original character and integrity to represent that particular period.

00:05:35,530	And any of that are altered, uh, beyond recognition or, um, do not date within the period of significance that gets determined. Those would just be non-contributing within the boundary. And then, of course, um, we’ll have a public meeting in August. As Lauren said.

00:05:57,700	And just so people know that property owners within this neighborhood may want to attend that because they’ll likely have questions about what this would mean for their home. Um, but that a simple majority of 50% or more of the proper property owners in a proposed district would have to object to to stop that progress or that process.

00:06:14,230	And I’m sure that you’ll be reaching that point if you pursue a district nomination. So, um, 182 properties were surveyed, and I thought I would, um, put these together in a slide, and Lauren was able to make a map for me, the color code that’s in the report.

00:06:39,370	But I also pulled it into a pie chart just to represent, um, the themes, the areas that are in the Bismarck timeline. Um, that timelines are served as the historic context for evaluating each of these properties.

00:07:02,830	And one of the main takeaways from this project, the earliest house in the neighborhood is 1882, and the largest number, 69% of the properties surveyed are within that growing capital city. ERA 1898 to 1930. Um, which served as the basis for my recommendation of a likely period of significance that would be successful in a nomination.

00:07:25,830	Um, I also thought you might be interested to see a breakdown of the architectural styles represented as a reconnaissance survey generally looks at, um, high level trends and styles of architecture present. Um, the the highest percentage, um, is bungalow, which in my report you may have read, isn’t really a style so much as it is a form. Um, but there are many bungalows in this neighborhood. 18% of the property surveyed are bungalows.

00:07:47,870	Um, 13% are eclectic, which really isn’t the most helpful thing when you’re thinking about the breakdown of styles, except to say that this isn’t necessarily a high style neighborhood.

00:08:06,370	Um, it’s, uh, reflective of more vernacular approaches to architecture and a lot of builders rather than trend architects, though there are examples of architect designed homes in this neighborhood. And I’ve pulled out a sampling of them. I did not do a deep dive of every possible architect or builder who may have had, uh, work in this neighborhood, but I did note those when I came across them. Um, and I would love to research some of these people.

00:08:27,170	Some of them are familiar. Um, Arthur Van Horn is a well-known, um, Bismarck architect. Freshly. And sons. Um, Beatty. Ritter Busch brothers probably familiar to many people. Um, but there are also some, uh, contractors, builders, carpenters who I was able to come across and credit, um, their work in the neighborhood.

00:08:53,470	And just as the summary, 182 properties were recorded, as I said, my recommendation is based on just the, um, the numbers and sort of the how those numbers reflect what was going on in Bismarck throughout those different themes. The eras in the Bismarck history timeline.

00:09:13,700	Uh, so my recommendation would be that you do have an eligible historic district here and a successful, um, or a likely to be successful period of significance would be 1882 from the earliest house in the neighborhood through 1930, which coincides with some other big changes in Bismarck, and also just a sort of a drop off in the number of new builds in the neighborhood.

00:09:35,530	Areas of significance could include architecture, settlement, politics, government and social history. And if you were to follow these recommendations for pursuing a National Register nomination for this potential district, uh 114 of those surveyed would be contributing and 64 would be non-contributing. Um, of course, the survey boundary isn’t necessarily what you would propose as the district boundary.

00:10:03,770	There are areas concentrations where you could, um, you know, move the boundary in to, um, exclude some of the non-contributing properties that are contiguous, um, like in the upper right corner, you see, there are a number of non-contributing properties. So it wouldn’t make sense to necessarily include them in the district boundary.

00:10:24,100	So that would kind of change your your ratio of contributing to non-contributing. Um, or. Um, another recommendation that I included in my report for further work is, um, to extend the survey to third Street to the west and possibly seventh Street to the east, which might also change those numbers of contributing non-contributing.

00:10:49,770	But this was a somewhat I mean, it was an educated but somewhat arbitrary survey boundary based on concentration of known, uh, older properties. And there may be similar related properties in the, um, in the fringe around, um, I would think that third Street and seventh Street being, um, high traffic corridors, there could be, uh, probably a pretty easy case to be made that maybe those would be logical, reasonable

00:11:15,570	boundaries for a historic district nomination, in which case additional survey work along third and seventh Street would be warranted. Uh, but I’m sure you have questions about this work, and I would be happy to answer any.

00:11:32,430	And I’m really hoping that you’ve got comments on the report that I can take and put into my revised submission. So thank you. Thank you so much. Uh, it was a great presentation and very succinct. And it was also a great report. I don’t know how many commissioners had a chance to to read it, but it was fascinating. So thank you.

00:11:55,330	Uh, does anybody else have comments? Questions? I have one question, Emily. Um, I guess in case they want to hop seventh or hop third would I mean, just, you know, based on your experience, would it work as a general guide to identify a expand study area based on age of houses? Because I know it’s like, obviously houses will get modified and

00:12:13,100	it’s like no longer contributing. You know, once they get that vinyl siding. Um, but would that be a general guide to or would that be another potential guide for, uh, you know, boundaries to the east and west, or what are your thoughts? Yes, that’s a good question.

00:12:30,270	I have, um, just because I’m from Bismarck and I know the area very well. Um, I have taken a look at the properties along Third Street and the properties along seventh Street. Not in any official way.

00:12:54,100	I didn’t include this in a report, but, um, as you move further east to seventh Street, there are a number of properties that are from the 19 teens, but more so from the late 1920s into like 1935. And, um, if you wanted to follow my recommendation for the period of significance, you’d be sort of leaving. Um, that period and stretching further.

00:13:18,430	Along, which would be fine, but it might kind of change the periods of significance. Or it might maybe possibly dilute the concentration, really, that we have here. Um, and something to consider. Bismarck High School, that building was built in 1935, and with 1930 being my recommended cutoff date, that, um, the property is east of seventh Street might be less related to this early, um, development. Development in the South Capitol neighborhood.

00:13:45,900	It’s a little bit later along third Street. There are a number of older homes. If you think about Avenue B to the west of the former governor’s mansion. That whole block of houses, they are all contemporaneous. Um, and along third Street.

00:14:07,400	But as you get north of C, I see some integrity issues and sort of continuity loss. So I think it’s worth looking at. Um, two third Street and two seventh Street. I think there are a number of reasons why you can make a justification for that to be, you know, Max out there.

00:14:28,300	Um, another benefit of going to seventh Street is I think that we would be remiss. If you were to pursue a district nomination without including the Erastus Williams house, which is known by a lot as the town House, which is on the National Register of Historic Places. Already. Uh, individually.

00:14:45,700	But that’s a very important home in this neighborhood that a lot of people would associate with some of these other contemporaneous people. And if you went out to seventh Street, you’d be able to pick up that property as a contributing property and part of the history of this neighborhood.

00:15:01,730	Um, so a little bit more reconnaissance work along seventh Street and third Street, but I think it wouldn’t go the whole north south boundary that you, that you see here. So maybe three blocks along third Street and maybe along the north side, maybe three blocks around on seventh Street, and you’d get a better picture. Thank you. Sounds good.

00:15:21,970	And I know that when we first, um, put a dart in the map as to where we wanted to start with this, it was just basically to figure out what period of significance our options. Um, and then kind of like what we did with the Highland Acre Survey, we could always have additions to the nomination after we get this solidified and as a district.

00:15:39,570	And then we could do expansion work as well. And in later years, because we’re just getting started here. Absolutely. Could be amended. Yes. Commissioner Nodland. Thank you for for it. I think it’s really interesting too. I really liked it. I have the same question.

00:15:57,900	I guess, that at when I read it. Um, I’m wondering if, you know, this is not a quiz. How many properties are there any properties after 1930 that are eligible? And I have a couple of questions. So let me just I’m. Eligible individually. Yeah. Um, this feels like a quiz. No, just. Kidding. Or contributing.

00:16:22,470	I mean, I guess what my question is. There are there are properties beyond 1930 that in my first glance through everything, they have sufficient integrity that they reflect their 1930s, 1940s, um, appearance. And so if you extended the period of significance, there would be some from later than 1930 that would be contributing.

00:16:45,070	I just think that there’s a big case to be made for the development. The history of this neighborhood is really that it’s old Bismarck, and it’s between the downtown and the Capitol, and it’s where development shifted from being, uh, east west along the railroad when they, um, determine whether they’re going to place the capital.

00:17:01,230	Then suddenly everybody starts building north. And I think that story is reflected in the boom period, basically, of when these houses were built. And there’s later infill, but really it kind of caps off. There’s sort of a time period where around 1930, that’s the things taper off.

00:17:19,630	And there are other contributing factors to that. Just the availability of lots. But also, you know, Great Depression and all sorts. Of things. So my other questions are, does and does cut during the cutoff in 1930 affect the other homes in the district that are from the 30s, 40s, 50, 60 70s 80s of I don’t

00:17:40,830	know this of getting any kind of tax credit or eligibility, or would they have to go toward that process themselves? They’d have to go through all of that or or does it. So I’m just curious. It’s 50 years we’re leaving off. I understand the rationale, but for for the people who are in the district.

00:18:01,630	But after 1930, how do you know how that affects? I, I would defer to Lauren if there’s any kind of local programs available to, um, homeowners. But it’s my understanding that if it’s a non-contributing house within a National Register listed district, it is not eligible for grants. Nothing after 1930 is contributing.

00:18:23,470	Yes. Well, if we were to pursue this period of significance, based on my recommendations. Yes. So you could have a house from the 1940s. And it would be non-contributing. It would be within the neighborhood, but non-contributing. Yeah.

00:18:43,770	Similar to an older property that does date to, say, 1912, but it has been altered and no longer has sufficient integrity. It would be non-contributing and not eligible. I’m just more curious about the people who have an eligible house or a contributing.

00:19:02,500	But but because we’re cutting off our time period of significance, as you said, arbitrarily, based on some things that a rational, um, you know, I just I’m just curious if if that’s if that’s I don’t know. I mean, I didn’t if that’s serving the purpose of of what we what we want a historic district for in this neighborhood. But I, I mean, I’m, I don’t I don’t know enough about what it what that cutoff means.

00:19:25,530	And so I just that was the question that I raised my other my other question is have you gotten any feedback yet from the Shippo. Um, well, first, to address your comment, I think that’s a great series of questions, Beth, and I completely understand your interest in and how this benefits the

00:19:44,100	homeowners and what the city is trying to accomplish with the Historic Preservation Commission. Um, this is really just my recommendation for what I think would be the most, um, successful nomination. It’s not to say it’s the only way to put forward a nomination.

00:20:00,630	Um, there are other parameters you could set. Um, and as long as the data upholds and you are able to tell the story in a compelling way, then, um, could be successful in other ways. But I think this would be your sort of slam dunk.

00:20:15,100	Um, and the, um, feedback I have not received from people yet, they did notify me that they are reviewing it like they’ve got it. It’s been received. Um, their review period has started. But nice job. Thank you.

00:20:40,700	Um, I would just like to add to just looking at the, um, the color coded map that has the years following the, uh, growing capital city, the tumultuous year post-World War Two and maturing city. There are only 37 properties in that entire span. We’re just in the the growing capital. It’s 125. So just sheer numbers of it’s very.. It’s 60, 69% was. So 79% of the properties were built between 1882 through 1930. And then after that, there’s a pretty sharp decline.

00:21:10,530	Well, and it might be worth I mean, I know I think your recommendation is great. It might be worth if waiting until the additional additional survey is done, if that has a potential of raising that up to through the 30s or into, you know, into the 40s or whatever that may do.

00:21:33,930	Um, I just hate to lose the inclusion of contributing what should be what might be contributing eligible properties. And there’s also the possibility that survey along seventh, eighth, ninth streets might show a concentration of 1930s bungalows. Maybe that’s a different story than the story of the South Capital neighborhood. Maybe that’s a, um, you know, depression era building in Bismarck. Um, yeah.

00:22:02,930	Not to say that that these homes that wouldn’t fall in a period of significance or an area of significance don’t have their own story to tell or their own reason to be appreciated. Thank you. Any other comments, questions? Presenter.

00:22:24,870	Well, you did a fabulous job and I really love the that it’s tied into the existing timeline that we have for the community. Um, it really speaks to everything that we’ve done since inception. That’s a very nice job. It was kind of nice to be the guinea pig, to see how that works as a historic context statement of sorts for a contractor, and I thought it worked pretty well. Um, yeah, absolutely.

00:22:45,600	Thank you. Set the direction very well. Thank you very much. Thanks. I do have a few rando comments, typos, and of course, Doctor Engel got his hands on it because I was reviewing it at the kitchen table. And he has some also some nerdy facts for you.

00:23:02,670	I would be very happy to get any kind of comments or edits or revision requests. Um, and I will address them when I also address typos. Perfect. Thank you. Thank you. Um, so, Lauren, do we need a motion to approve the report? Uh, chair angle, commissioners.

00:23:29,430	Uh, I don’t know if we would necessarily need to approve the report, but if you have any of those revisions, um, uh, feel free to hand them off to staff. I’ll compile them all together that way, our consultant doesn’t have to read multiple ones. Okay. They’re not that extensive. A handful of typos and nerdy facts, but. Okay. Thank you. Sounds good. Okay.

00:23:48,800	Then we will move along, uh, to the 2025 Historic Preservation Fund grant update. Uh. Thank you. Chair Engel and commissioners, uh, this update is related to our historic preservation plan project that’s under this grant. Um, the historic Preservation Plan subcommittee has submitted the draft document for review by this commission.

00:24:18,100	The document is expected to be available digitally on the city’s website for the public to review. Um. However, um, this will once adopted by both this commission and the city Commission. It’ll be made available online as well. The, uh, printed copy copies will be provided to members of this commission. Um, to assist with its roles and responsibilities.

00:24:45,170	Um, the subcommittee would like to provide the opportunity, as I said, for that public comment prior to adoption of the plan. Um, a potential timeline for that adoption is included in the agenda. Um, if approved by the Historic Preservation Commission staff and the Historic Preservation Commission chair will bring the plan to the City Commission for final adoption.

00:25:08,700	Um staff recommends reviewing and providing feedback on the submitted draft plan to staff. Thank you. Lauren. Does everybody get a chance to read through it? Hopefully, yes. Did everyone do their homework? I know Emily was aware way more fascinating. Um. Any thoughts? Yes. Chair Engel.

00:25:37,630	I can give a little bit of an overview of what’s in there. You can see on here that there’s, um, some of the contents that are laid out within the plan. Um, it includes an introduction with several key pieces of background information.

00:25:56,770	You know, what is a historic preservation plan? What is preservation? Um, that information is included in there, as well as information on why preservation is important. Um, that also includes those icons, those four icons on the side there. Those are for letting people know how to use the plan.

00:26:21,000	What information in the plan might be most beneficial for certain individuals, um, such as homeowners who are looking for grants that might work for their properties if they’re a contributing resource, or if there’s any local, um, resources that might be beneficial to property owners for houses. Um, it further goes on to explain how the plan was developed. Um, different steps, including the creation of the Bismarck timeline is included in there. Um, there is a section on the goals and objectives.

00:26:45,900	You did see several months back. A huge table that you went through and look through all the key pieces in that. Um, this is a not as detailed version of that. That detailed version will be kept in, uh, for internal staff. Um, review and and for us to keep track of those, uh, uh, those different goals and objectives.

00:27:12,030	Um, hopefully hoping to keep this commission updated on where we are for the status of those, um, what you’re seeing in that plan there is to give the general public an idea of what we’re looking at there and what might we be looking forward, or if they have ideas on how to further those goals

00:27:29,700	and objectives? Um, there’s a section on preservation laws and funding. Um, both at the federal, state and local levels as that is available. Um, there’s information on historic resources, both, uh, what a designation means, what goes into a survey, what is a survey? Um, there’s a section on threats to historic resources.

00:27:56,900	Um, looking at both, uh, different acts of whether that might, uh, contribute to the destruction of historic properties as well as, um, demolition of properties, among other different threats. And, and what might be done by this commission or the public for those. Um, there’s a list of historic resources.

00:28:22,100	Um, pulling from the state’s registry, which is very similar to the National Register list that we have. Um, that’s included in there. Um, it should be the most up to date version that we have for that. And then finally, we have our preservation plan, survey and results.

00:28:38,700	Um, I believe about a year ago, we had comments from this commission on how you’d like to see some of that information included in this plan. Um, specifically looking at how that reflects the different age groups that were surveyed.

00:28:55,030	Um, so the, uh, certain questions were pulled from that survey and included in this plan, the ones that were most relevant to those goals and objectives. Um, that were in the plan. Um, if you have any questions or if you’re good with that, please feel free to let me know. And I think overall, the whole subcommittee was just trying to keep our eye on anybody who’s looking for any information.

00:29:13,170	This is a good place to start to get questions answered if you’re a homeowner. If you’re a builder, if you’re a government agency, or if you’re a contractor, uh, just trying to to get some baseline information. Um, and it’s very compact. It’s only 33 pages.

00:29:32,430	Now, instead of the book that we had envisioned, which is great. Um, so are there any questions or thoughts? Yes, Commissioner. I think. It’s a really nice, clean, clean piece. Um. Very impressed with the work that subcommittee did. It gets very good. Yeah. You all started it back in the day, and. Yeah, Well, yeah. 2019. So a fabulous job. Thank you so much.

00:30:03,300	The subcommittee, um, and all the volunteers. Um, I, I am curious because it took us this long to get to it. Um, I have a couple questions, but my one is kind of like, what can we, as a HPC count on this as its shelf life? Should it get us through

00:30:21,770	five years or ten years? What do we what do we hope that this does? I’m going to turn that over to Lauren because she popped up. So she clearly has an answer. I as long.

00:30:39,830	Commissioner Nodland chair commissioners, there is actually a small objective in the goals and objectives section. I can’t quote the exact one, but it does have the expected shelf life of this specific document, and it’s supposed to be moreso of a, uh, of a living document for the most part. It likely won’t be updated too much on that.

00:31:00,700	Um, but the expected shelf life of this specific document is ten years. Um, typically going beyond that, you’re you’re not kind of staying relevant with what you’re seeing in the community for that. And you’re expecting to see that a lot of your goals and objectives are being met, or that you’ve accomplished a lot of that, and it’s time to update what you’re seeing in that.

00:31:18,130	And that longer list of those objectives and goals. Those had very brief, like 0 to 1 year, 1 to 3 years, that sort of thing. So that’s going to be where we see most of the action. And hopefully this just this document can stay as is. Yes.

00:31:34,670	Okay. So I just want to say I really appreciated the places in it where it listed some of the things that we’ve accomplished, like the walking trail maps and the the timeline and stuff like that.

00:31:51,830	And there was a part of me that was like, I want to see that on a list somewhere, whether for not for this purposes, but it just felt like we found a lot done. And we absolutely. Have six years.

00:32:13,870	So, um, my other thing that I kind of came away with it that I really, um, thought was interesting was in the, in the survey results, um, that so many people, the number one place or resource that people went to, they said they would go to get information about Bismarcks history. Is the state historic preservation or the the, the historical, the History Center or the archives? And I think that’s an opportunity for us to collaborate or encourage.

00:32:38,230	I don’t think it’s easy to find information about Bismarck proper at the state Historical society. They don’t have there’s no exhibits in the History Center. There’s no, um, exhibits. Um, it’s hard. And when you’re doing research there, it’s not there’s not a person there who’s sort of an expert on Bismarck history.

00:33:00,030	And so I’m wondering if, if we can work with them or help them or somehow, um, encourage them since they’re in Bismarck to, um, come up with an exhibit or something for Bismarck people interested in the history of Bismarck, because I don’t know if that’s where everybody’s going.

00:33:28,030	What are they finding there? So that that that was just something out of that result of that, that I thought, man, we could we we should try and encourage them. Maybe they could take it on. Maybe we take it on. I don’t know. Well, Commissioner Sokoloff.

00:33:50,300	Um, in response to those comments, I think that, um, because I am in I am in that building as an employee, and there are so many times that people come in, and one of the great things about I’m speaking specifically of the archives.

00:34:13,230	Um, and if they go to the desk and, uh, Beth Campbell is, is there, they know who to to send somebody to. Somebody has a question that they know they’re, they’re not going to get an answer to from the staff.

00:34:35,170	They’re they’re really good at saying, well, I think you need to talk to, you know, this person at Bismarck Historical Society or these things, they are very good at, um, making sure that people, if they aren’t going to easily get the information they want, they’re they’re really good at pointing them to the resources that there are there that are there for them to go to. And I see it time after time.

00:34:58,830	Um, because everybody up in the archives in the state, they have their own areas of expertise. And it’s not Bismarck, you know, so, you know, it’s it’s unreasonable for us to expect them to, but it’s always been kind of a conflict of, we have this great museum. Everybody’s going to. But it’s not telling.

00:35:23,770	Bismarck’s story the way you might expect it to, because it’s in the city. Would it be nice if we had a room? Yeah, but, you know, there’s that’s that’s a conflict that’s always going to exist. Their their resources are never going to go to telling Bismarck story. But that’s one of the reasons that we’re doing what we’re doing.

00:35:38,300	We’re trying to fill that void for people or that gap for people, and get people connected to the information that they want. I think two of the four goals that we have in here is raising awareness about our own history and educational elements.

00:35:58,100	So we’ve got our work cut out for us, but we can definitely help out with that. It’s a good point. All right. Um, let’s see. Any further discussion about the plan before we move on? Nope. Uh, then we’ll move on to the land development code discussion. Uh, thank you, chair Engel and commissioners, the land development code.

00:36:26,800	Um, if you may be aware, uh, has been a long, long time coming. Um, we had an initial meeting about a year ago with this commission. Um, just discussing what thoughts? Uh, this commission had related to historic preservation and how that might be, uh, included or identified within the Land development Code.

00:36:53,030	Um, the land Development Code was adopted on May 26th of this year. It does have an effective date on October 1st. Um, part of the land Development code. There’s I’d say three main areas that relate to historic preservation. Um, that this commission should be aware of. Um, the first one that’s probably most relevant is the update to the downtown zoning district.

00:37:15,970	Um, so that change, it’s more. Uh, it includes more objective development standards focused more on the form of development rather than the uses that we currently see in our code. Um, for zoning.

00:37:37,230	Um, so we’re looking at maintaining more that, that form of development that we historically saw in that area or that we’d like to see going forward. Um, the second item is more so the addition of a historic preservation commissioner acting as a technical advisor. Um, for our design review in downtown. Um, this commission, as was mentioned, was formed in 2019. Um, that section of the code was added well before then.

00:38:02,300	It just never got updated to include the the Historic Preservation Commission. Um, so we’ve taken care of that currently. Um, so we’ll be looking for an, a technical advisor for this commission to, um, advise related to historically significant buildings specifically for listed buildings or buildings within the downtown um district, uh, including subsequent additions or updates

00:38:31,100	to that downtown district, which we might see coming forward with our future projects in that area. And then the third, um, area that’s relevant or maybe relevant is the allowance for variances for historic buildings. Um, again, uh, part of that variance is more so in lieu of the standard variance component.

00:38:57,770	This commission never really deals with that. It’ll be handled by the Board of Adjustment for that. But it’s just something for you to be aware of. Um, and that variance is more so if there’s a need or necessity to maintain that historic character of the building or site.

00:39:18,130	And it’s related to listed buildings in the National Register, or that downtown district. It wouldn’t be outside of those components with how this code is written here. Um, I’ll stand for any questions you guys have on this. Commission. Anything? No. Do you need a nomination for one of us to be that representative? The technical advisor. That would be helpful. Yeah. Any volunteers? Nominations? Yes.

00:39:52,230	Commissioner Engel. Commissioners. Um, I would, um, I would love to see John Swanson. Commissioner Swanson in that role because he has perhaps the most, um, educated, um, insight into this sort of thing. Being an architect.

00:40:23,770	Um, and, and very knowledgeable about all the sort of things that might be more technical in some ways than, than many of us, um, would have. So I know many John Swanson. So. And I didn’t get a choice when they nominated me for chair. So we’re not going to let you talk like. , no, I. That would be very interesting. I think I’d like to do that. So. Okay. Yeah.

00:40:47,730	Those are things that I would in, you know, as part of my business, you know. So awesome. That’s cool. Uh, I enjoy that, I think. Yeah. Sounds good. So we have a motion and a second and an acceptance of the nomination, which is even a bigger bonus. Can we call a roll, then? Um, Commissioner Perrin. Yes.

00:41:10,170	So I asked John. Nope. He’s talking.. Commissioner Sakariassen? Yes. Um. Commissioner Nodland. Yes. Commissioner Zenker. Yes. Commissioner Hull. Yes. Yes. Congratulations, John. Thank you for being volunteered. Volunteered for that? Um, is there any other business that is not on the agenda? Hearing none. We’re. Oh, sorry. Oh, you gotta move faster than that. No. Yes, Commissioner. Nodland.

00:41:47,000	Uh, chair Engel and commissioners, I would like to extend the ABCs. Thanks to Commissioner Zenker for all of the work that he’s done for us over all of the years. Years. And just to to.

00:42:08,400	And for, I mean, the ideas and help and the guidance like on the recent convention or table that we did. So thank you very much. I really appreciate it. Thank you both for remembering that.. And you’re very welcome. Thank you. Happy to do that. Amazing. Parking tickets. Oh, that has nothing to do right. All right. Um, I think that with that, we’re adjourned.

00:42:32,970	Um, the next meeting is July 15th at 3 p.m., right here in the Tom Baker meeting room. We’ll see you next month.